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Post by gopher in heat on May 30, 2008 13:46:12 GMT -5
It starts off with showing the final scenes from Oblivion... the explosion, the Tall Man taking the sphere from Mike's head... but not as far as Reggie chasing the Tall Man through the gate. All of this with a voice over from Reggie sort of explaining everything that had happened, etc.
Then, when it shows the Tall Man actually step through the gate, it cuts to wherever the other side is, only Mike steps out, dressed as the Tall Man and holding the sphere. Think of it as some sort of transformation. Mike now IS the Tall Man.
Maybe he's in the mausoleum in Morningside or something. The white room. Shortly after he comes through, suddenly Reggie pops out (since we know he chased the Tall Man at the end of Oblivion).
From there... who knows. Maybe they're back in the 1970s (which could tie in with the footage shown at the end of Oblivion of Reg and Mike in the ice cream truck). Maybe the movie is an inner struggle with Mike in whether he accepts becoming the Tall Man, or fights it in order to save himself. Perhaps he and/or Reg can try to stop the whole thing from ever happening.
I think it's a pretty good idea. What do you guys think?
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Post by nitelinger on May 30, 2008 14:00:47 GMT -5
That sounds great! Im down with everthing you just said. Thats just the way Id like to see it go. I like the "70s/ Morningside" idea and the "going back and (maybe) stoping it from ever happening" thing. Everything you said is right on!
Heck Goph, just go ahead and write the whole thing and hand it to Don he can tweek it and , WE GOT IT!
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Post by postmortem on May 30, 2008 14:03:40 GMT -5
Seeing Mike as Tall Man emerge from the spacegate WOULD be jarring! What a cool idea, though. Can you see the audience now, all just sitting there stunned, mouths open! Going back to the beginning, 1978 when the town was untainted (though I think the Tall Man was around the whole time, IMO), to stop things from "the beginning" has always been such a nostalgic and awesome idea. Keep writing, Gopher!
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Post by briggs on May 31, 2008 7:07:31 GMT -5
Jody (If he indeed makes an appearence) should do the VO, since Reggie and Mike already have, either that or the tall man.
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Post by OblivionGoon on Jun 2, 2008 2:40:41 GMT -5
I like it. I think that Mike's transformation into a Tall Being in inevitable and should be addressed off the bat. I think that P3's problem was the long wait to address the Tall Being stuff, too much fluff. As for P4, I think that it is great how the entire film is basically about Mike and Tally. I think it makes a great deal of sense to start off P5 like that. I just hope that we see a P5. Inside I am hoping that all of Don's current projects get put on hold for some reason (like Bubba 2 is) so that he can get this film done. It seems to me that Angus is kind of bored with Phantasm (since he likes Oblivion as an ender). All I want for Christmas is P5.
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Post by gopher in heat on Jun 2, 2008 18:34:55 GMT -5
Thanks for the kind words everyone!
Well, in continuing with my idea...
So let's say Mike emerges in the white room as the Tall man... he's initially puzzled, but something seems so right about it. I sort of envision Tall Mike (as I'll refer to him) as entering the final stages of his "transformation"... as we remember, in Oblivion the Tall Man mentions to Mike that this experience may seem strange as he prepares for passage. Perhaps by "passage", the Tall Man is referencing his transformation into the Tall Man (or "Death" as I see it). We should also remember how toward the end of Oblivion as Mike fails in his attempt to kill Jebediah Morningside, the Tall Man emerges from the space gate and says "and so it begins...". I believe this again could tie into the whole return to Morningside in the 70s... everything coming full circle.
This might sound off base, but I sort of see Phantasm V as comparable in many ways to Back to the Future 2... where there could be doubles of certain people. For example, since Reggie chased the Tall Man into the gate at the end of Oblivion, he emerges in the white room in the Morningside mausoleum (still wearing his ice cream man attire). This could provide a really nostalgic scene where Reggie realizes where he is and he looks at the barrels and the gate... there could even be quick flashes back to the first Phantasm where he puts his hands on the poles and almost gets sucked into the gate. It would be a really awesome scene in my opinion, just seeing him back in that setting again. Anyway, it would sort of be like time travel, and the events of the original Phantasm are currently going on, but now we have the older versions of characters added into the mix.
I see Tall Mike being "guided" or "mentored" by the Tall Man (the 70s version... Angus could still pull off the look with some simple hair dye and make-up). I see older Reggie trying to figure out how to stop everything... perhaps he somehow encounters his younger self... but I'm not sure on this. I see Jody (the older form... sphere and all) somehow involved... maybe once again guiding Reggie, explaining what's going on, etc. I think it would be really cool just seeing these characters back in the setting we first got to know them. The original mausoleum would be the perfect setting for the final act in the film... and I think this would be the perfect opportunity to go through the gate in the white room to the Red Planet.
If you think back to the ending of Oblivion, when Mike and Jody are at the beach they can actually hear Reggie through the space gate. Then think to the very final scene in Oblivion when young Mike and young Reggie actually hear "you're still alive Mike!" and such... they pass it off as only the wind, but doesn't this strike anyone else as them actually hearing things through a space gate, just as the earlier example I gave? It just makes too much sense! This would HAVE to mean that somehow a gate had been opened to that time period at the same time the events at the end of Oblivion take place!
Now I know what I've typed is a lot to take in, so I do apologize if it's tough to follow. It makes sense, trust me haha.
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Post by OblivionGoon on Jun 2, 2008 19:16:51 GMT -5
If you think back to the ending of Oblivion, when Mike and Jody are at the beach they can actually hear Reggie through the space gate. Then think to the very final scene in Oblivion when young Mike and young Reggie actually hear "you're still alive Mike!" and such... they pass it off as only the wind, but doesn't this strike anyone else as them actually hearing things through a space gate, just as the earlier example I gave? It just makes too much sense! This would HAVE to mean that somehow a gate had been opened to that time period at the same time the events at the end of Oblivion take place! so I do apologize if it's tough to follow. It makes sense, trust me haha. I have never really though of the idea that they are actually hearing something through a space gate. OMG that is mind blowing! It really does make sense, and it puts a whole new spin on the end of P4 for me. Jeez... Trust you eh? Know something do we? Spill the beans! I know what we gotta do, we gotta go up there, stomp the shizz out of that gopher dude and then we'll find out whats going on! LOL EDIT: Gopher, you need to develop this stuff into a fan fiction!
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Post by nitelinger on Jun 2, 2008 20:07:20 GMT -5
Thats really cool Gopher! I was thinking "Back to the future" myself but like you, I thought it sounded off base and wouldnt relate well with Phantasm....... but I know just what you mean. That would be a great twist.
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Post by vitaman2007 on Jun 2, 2008 21:39:25 GMT -5
I always liked Back To The Future Part 2...
The white room at MORNINGSIDE would be great to revisit.
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Post by nitelinger on Jun 2, 2008 22:55:49 GMT -5
The white room revisited . That would be very cool man!
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Post by hemidemi1 on Jun 5, 2008 16:49:53 GMT -5
Gopher I love your ideas. Would be pretty neat to see Reggie come through the gate back into the white room and the 70's. Possibly at the moment just after he shut down the gate. Could he start changing what happens immediately? Say, burst through the front doors onto the steps of the Morningside mausoleum and blow away the lady in lavender/tallman before he is stabbed...thus saving his own life...could explain why we see Reggie later in front of the fireplace with Mike...as though he never really was stabbed and died. There are so many possibilities.
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Post by TheIceCreamMan on Jun 7, 2008 19:05:32 GMT -5
Gopherman, not to take anything away from your posts, which are great by the way. But.... I do not want Mike to become a Tall Man, nor do I think him becoming one is inevitable. From the getgo he was a good guy, and he should stay as such. Remember in Phantasm I, it was all a dream or was it, well, this is how Mike can reverse out of becoming a tall being. He will wake up so to say, and remember the Tall Man is against everything he stands for, remember nothing is written in stone and all men have free will. I am a traditionalist, and want Jody back as a good guy as well. Bringing the original 3 heroes back together to take the Tall Man down once and for all, returning their sleepy little town to it's quite past. Then they can all hang out drinking Dos Equis at leisure.
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Post by briggs on Jun 8, 2008 20:51:23 GMT -5
Would be pretty neat to see Reggie come through the gate back into the white room and the 70's. Possibly at the moment just after he shut down the gate. Could he start changing what happens immediately? Say, burst through the front doors onto the steps of the Morningside mausoleum and blow away the lady in lavender/tallman before he is stabbed...thus saving his own life...could explain why we see Reggie later in front of the fireplace with Mike...as though he never really was stabbed and died. Hmm... How about Reg, emerging from the white room sees that Morningside is disappearing, sees his "corpse" get sucked in, manages to escape and runs back to the Pearson house. There, he meets with Jody and they find that Mike has disappeared (To "cut the tall man down"). The two arrive in time to rescue Mike after he cuts the tall man down and try to find a way to kill him again. Jody tells Mike to keep running for the mine shaft, and he is killed by the tall man who continues pursuing Mike. Due to the still-malfunctioning spacegate things play out as they did in the film, an alternate Jody appears in time to carry out the mine shaft plan. Reggie either disappears and is replaced by an unknowing alternate or creates another alternate dimension where he tries to protect young Mike (Who, as it turns out is the "Base" Mike, from which all alternates, much like the alternate tall-men, are created) from being killed in order to provide the harvested gold sphere a body. "Mike, that tall man took Jody away, but we'll find that bastard... ram a stake through his god-d**n heart..."
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Post by hemidemi1 on Jun 24, 2008 11:10:05 GMT -5
Let's take this in a different direction since I am obsessed with the Civil War aspect of this film. (heh) How about...it's starts with Reggie of course jumping thru the gate...going to wherever..but what about Michael? Let's not forget he is lying there helplessly fading away, let's camera pan back to Michael lying on the ground, a couple of dwarves come out from behind the rocks, one grabbing each arm and then dragging him and forcefully chucking him through the space gate, maybe then he awakens on the that table in the tent amongst the chaos of the war and the Tall man violating his nostril, possible some type of "repair" to his cranium after ripping the sphere out?
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Post by OblivionGoon on Jul 1, 2008 19:26:04 GMT -5
Okay this is based on the idea that there *may* not be a PV, it is my spin on the end of PIV from the seed that gopher planted.
Since Mike and Reggie heard the gunshot through the space gate into their dimension (1978 not 1998) and it seemed that Mike was more in tune with it than Reggie was, is it possible that Mike was able to prevent everthing from happening a fresh start if you will. Or did that scene take place after Jody died and it was just a differient beginning of the story, which will happen all over again, and again and so on. A never ending tale that keeps repeating itself with a slightly differient twist everytime.
If Mike was aware that the gunshot he heard was during the last few minutes of his life, is he aware of the entire story but unable to change it because it is truly his destiny. As The Tall Man says "It's never.. Over." Perhaps the Tall Man is able to manipulate time and cause it to reoccur over and again so that he can keep repopulating his army as their number diminish from a source unknown to us. It is essentially a train that keeps going around in a circle but nobody on board can get off or change it's course, they just have to ride it out.
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Post by nightflier51 on Jul 16, 2008 23:14:06 GMT -5
I like the tall man but whats the thing about tall beings? Hitler wasnt tall an look at what hell he brought. Imagine this, what if the tall man met lucifer himself. Can one imagine the outcome?
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Post by KR on Aug 19, 2008 4:01:32 GMT -5
Mike WILL become the tall man. Don will probably read this and go "s**t, I have to change it now".
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Post by OblivionGoon on Aug 19, 2008 4:35:26 GMT -5
Wow, what a revelation you have laid on us. I don't think I'll be able to sleep now.
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Post by abrader on Aug 23, 2008 23:43:31 GMT -5
I honestly do not want to see mike become the tall man
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Post by OblivionGoon on Aug 27, 2008 20:15:08 GMT -5
Why not? It would be great.
It's his destiny, afterall. The Tall Man needs someone to take his place, his time is up. Mike was chosen long ago, possibly before he was born.
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