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Post by scubasteve on Oct 2, 2009 6:33:31 GMT -5
I didn't think that the trailer was making him out to be innocent, I think more of a man who knows he's going to be lynched for what he did and I don't think they'll change that. It's what criminals do, say they are not guilty when they are. It doesn't hugely come off that way in the trailer and I can see you point hemi, but I think they'll remain faithful to the character's story.
As for the original scenes, I don't mind them putting them in, it is a remake after all, but they just looked a bit lame to me. The original didn't rely on CGI stuff and had to come up with ingenious ways of pulling scenes off. The scene where the girlfriend gets lifted to the ceiling and torn apart whilst the boyfriend is on the floor looks amazing in the orginial. We'll have to wait and see!
I can't wait to see Jackie play Freddy though, should be a good psychopath.
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Post by hemicuda on Oct 2, 2009 10:49:44 GMT -5
Yeah, I'll watch it for Jackie. He's a great actor. (Terribly opinionated rant warning!) As for the Halloween remake, I personally wasn't a fan. What made Michael scary for me in the original was that there was no reason why he was evil. There wasn't anything wrong with his upbringing. He was just evil. No answers. Zombie's tired redneck schtick was really out of place in Halloween IMO, and unnecessarily demystified Myers. Then the second half of the movie was just stock remake. I should admit though, I hate all of Zombie's movies (a barely watchable exploitation throwback and three remakes... blech!) I can't believe we live in a world where he can get movies funded and Coscarelli can't. Death to nu-horror! (end rant) To each his own though. Lots of my friends like his stuff, so what do I know? I f__king own Zardoz on DVD.
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Post by DustinM on Oct 2, 2009 13:01:12 GMT -5
Big spoilers ahead. Don't read ahead if you'd rather not know.
Okay... if you've gotten a hold of the NOES remake script that's been floating around the net since January or February, you'll know what they're doing with Freddy this time around. For most of the movie, the audience is under the impression that Freddy was an innocent janitor who was framed for his crimes. Nancy and her cronies even begin to believe this.
But near the end, Nancy realizes that Freddy isn't coming after them because the children "lied" about his abusing them, he's coming after them because they "told." I think it's a decent twist. It shows just how twisted and manipulative this new Freddy really is.
Having said that, the trailer didn't impress nor disappoint me. I'm still reserving judgment. The Halloween remake was atrocious and the Friday the 13th remake was deplorable, so my expectations for this one are low.
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Post by scubasteve on Oct 2, 2009 13:02:52 GMT -5
To each his own though. Lots of my friends like his stuff, so what do I know? I f__king own Zardoz on DVD. Zardoz. That's a film I'd not heard of in a long while! Good old Sean running about in sandals. I have The Land Before Time in my collection!
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Post by The Never Dead on Oct 2, 2009 13:14:49 GMT -5
I can't believe we live in a world where he can get movies funded and Coscarelli can't. Death to nu-horror! It's a sad world that we live in. I'll take another one of Don's films over the crap Rob Zombie has given us & will more than likely continue to give us until people see how much of a hack he is & quit hiring him to make movies.
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Post by hemicuda on Oct 2, 2009 15:26:22 GMT -5
Having said that, the trailer didn't impress nor disappoint me. I'm still reserving judgment. The Halloween remake was atrocious and the Friday the 13th remake was deplorable, so my expectations for this one are low. That's the thing about most of these nu-horror remakes. You said it well. They don't impress or disappoint. They are all well-made but devoid of passion (except for Halloween. That one was just terribly made.) I haven't seen the Friday the 13th remake yet. What was it that you found deplorable about it? That was one remake I wasn't upset at for existing. I mean, none of the original Friday the 13th movies were good anyway haha I like some of them, but they are pretty bad movies
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Post by gopher in heat on Oct 2, 2009 17:11:49 GMT -5
I haven't seen the Friday the 13th remake yet. What was it that you found deplorable about it? That was one remake I wasn't upset at for existing. I mean, none of the original Friday the 13th movies were good anyway haha I like some of them, but they are pretty bad movies Whoa there buddy, I have to disagree with you. Many of the original F13 films are fantastic, especially the first six. I really don't enjoy Jason Goes to Hell or Jason X, but they're pretty well made films that a lot of people like. Personally I've always loved the F13 films way more than the NOES films. That's just a matter of taste though. To claim that all F13 films suck is just off-base. The F13 remake was indeed deplorable as Dustin stated. Watch it and you'll see why (then again, you think all the originals are no good so maybe not). Most of all, it was unnecessary. It brought nothing new to the table, and could easily have just been a sequel that honestly could have fit anywhere into the series timeline with no trouble.
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Post by OblivionGoon on Oct 2, 2009 17:54:55 GMT -5
My favorite F13 film is probably the worst: Jason Takes Manhattan
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Post by hemicuda on Oct 2, 2009 18:55:01 GMT -5
Whoa there buddy, I have to disagree with you. Many of the original F13 films are fantastic, especially the first six. I really don't enjoy Jason Goes to Hell or Jason X, but they're pretty well made films that a lot of people like. Personally I've always loved the F13 films way more than the NOES films. That's just a matter of taste though. To claim that all F13 films suck is just off-base. The F13 remake was indeed deplorable as Dustin stated. Watch it and you'll see why (then again, you think all the originals are no good so maybe not). Most of all, it was unnecessary. It brought nothing new to the table, and could easily have just been a sequel that honestly could have fit anywhere into the series timeline with no trouble. Well, don't misunderstand me. I enjoy the F13 movies. I own every single one of them on DVD! But come on... fantastic movies they are not. Very basic slasher films. I'd be hard pressed to name any of them that had compelling characters or plotlines. They're basically all about the kills, which is fine. That's what they're meant to be. I'm not trying to trash them, they're just clearly not the best the horror genre has to offer. I wouldn't put any of them on the level with Phantasm for instance. My favorite is probably part VI cuz it's just over the top fun. The first one where Jason is just a full blown zombie. Part IV was good as well. Jason X was fun too in a totally ridiculous way, and I actually really liked Freddy vs. Jason despite its flaws. Personally, I probably like the Nightmare series a bit more, but honestly I only consider three of those "good" films: 1,3 and New Nightmare. But I still like the others, they're just cheeseball. I actually like a lot of movies I consider "bad" movies haha. Like Troll 2 and The Room. ;D
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Post by gopher in heat on Oct 2, 2009 19:21:50 GMT -5
First of all, Jason Takes Manhattan rocks. As for hemicuda, I don't see how you can say none of the F13 movies are good but some of the NOES movies are. I mean that's your opinion, and I'm fine with that, but honestly what is your criteria for judging these series? Of course the F13 films are slasher films about the kills. In my opinion, so are the NOES movies. The only "compelling" elements are the origins of the killers. I happen to think Jason's origin is equally as interesting as Freddy's (even moreso in my opinion). I'm speaking loosely, but you get what I mean. I think we can both agree that neither series is on the level of Phantasm, however.
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Post by hemicuda on Oct 2, 2009 19:42:41 GMT -5
Well, I may be crucified for this one but I actually do think the first Nightmare is slightly overrated and as I said earlier in the thread, it takes more than one cue from Phantasm.
However, I don't think anything in the Friday series can touch New Nightmare for creativity. I guess I just like the meta aspects of that one.
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Post by 4barrelhemi on Oct 8, 2009 0:52:04 GMT -5
I'm curious to see the new NOES just like I was the new F13 because neither of these remakes or what have you bother me at all. I like most of the originals as well.
I however can not STAND the new Zombieween films at all. Maybe due to Halloween was one of the first series that got me into the genre or maybe I'm just strange haha.
That being said like Dustin and some others have pointed out once you go back and actually look for things in the original NOES you'll see how much was lifted from Phantasm.
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Post by hemicuda on Oct 23, 2009 12:26:28 GMT -5
Well, I watched the Friday remake. Still don't see what the big deal is. From a remake standpoint it's the same standard, boring, by-the-numbers affair. From a Friday movie standpoint, it's certainly not the best of the series and certainly not the worst.
We've had Jason as a dead retard victim, Jason as a miraculously living retard killer, Jason as a full-blown undead zombie, Jason as a body-hopping evil creature entity, Jason as a cryogenically-frozen, undead retard zombie that later becomes a cyborg.
So Jason as a deformed, survivalist pothead... I'm fine with it.
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Post by ginchybird on Nov 2, 2010 23:21:16 GMT -5
I do agree that Freddy wouldn't stand a chance against The Tall Man. Mainly because The Tall Man takes you when you die so Freddy couldn't have existed without the Tall Mans wishes and Tall Man controls the dead. Freddy would just be another pawn..... So The Tall Man would b**** slap Freddy like a misbehaving child..
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