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Post by DustinM on Feb 4, 2009 21:57:04 GMT -5
If you haven't head Christian Bales' mad rant on the set of the new Terminator film, seek it out. I'd link to it here, but it's quite profane and definitely against ProBoards TOS. Anyway, Bale swears out for several minutes the DP on the film.
A DP named Shane Hurlbut..... who was a grip on Phantasm II back in '88.
So.... Bale should be getting a nasty visit from the Tall Man any day now.
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Post by gopher in heat on Feb 4, 2009 22:07:43 GMT -5
Oh boy, another one of these...
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Post by postmortem on Feb 4, 2009 23:47:29 GMT -5
This is so sad. Shane was such a nice guy on P2, he doesn't deserve this. Things get confusing during filming--the bigger the set and crew, the more chance of communication breakdown and mistakes happening. I can't imagine Shane deliberately tried to interfer with the shot! And calling Shane an amateur??? Bale is so out of control here--who is the real amateur? There is a professional way to reprimand people but you NEVER should talk to people like this. Unfortunateuly I've seen some other prima donnas act like this on set myself. It not only hurts the person that is being attacked verbally, but it completely demoralizes the entire crew. This behavior reminds me of Bale's American Psycho character. Bale needs anger management and probably a month chilling in rehab. I was so looking forward to Terminator but now I think NOT. Yes, I think the Tall Man needs to pay CB a visit...
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Post by gopher in heat on Feb 5, 2009 0:00:50 GMT -5
Come on, come on... let's not trash Bale here. I've had this discussion way too many times over the last couple of days and I don't want to anymore.
Yes, Bale went overboard.
But the fact is, Shane had it coming. He ruined actual scenes being filmed. Once is fine. Doing it more than once isn't.
I actually like Christian Bale more now. Putting aside the verbal beat down, this just goes to prove how dedicated he is as an actor. I really respect that.
People seem to hate on Bale because he yelled at a guy. We all yell at people. Heck, we all yell at people when they don't deserve it sometimes. It's human nature. I don't think it's fair to crucify Bale because some coward recorded it and posted it for the world to hear.
And most importantly, we weren't there. That clip could be SO FAR out of context, and we'd never know.
It's just becoming so tiring having to explain this to folks again and again... and believe me, being a huge Christian Bale fan, I've had it coming at me from all directions since the day it was leaked.
Bale got mad and yelled at a guy people. Let's move on.
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Post by DustinM on Feb 5, 2009 0:13:46 GMT -5
I must respectfully disagree.
There is no excusing Bale's explosion on that set. Shane Hurlbut has paid his dues. The man is a working professional and everyone slips up, even if Hurlbut was in the wrong. I've been on movie sets during takes and walked behind an actor's line of sight and NEVER received the blessing out that Shane did. Movie sets are FULL of so many people that this kind of thing isn't uncommon at all.
And it's like with the stars of Phantasm. None of them are perfect, by far and I never try to blind myself to their faults. Doesn't mean I still can't like them and their work, but I never downplay their mistakes simply because I like their work.
Just my .02
Oh - and Shane didn't ruin the scene. Bale ruined the scene. Dedicated of an actor? (chuckle) Please. His concentration is so thin that he can't handle someone walking around? It's a MOVIE SET. CRIPES. Kristen, back me up - there are dozens of people on a movie set moving constantly. Even during scenes - they move. They're supposed to be quiet - but they're still moving. If Bale spots the boom mic a few feet above his head and it's in his line of sight, does he throw a tantrum then too? I wonder.
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Post by postmortem on Feb 5, 2009 0:54:25 GMT -5
Things go wrong all the time with shots. ALL the time. You log the good takes that are "It's a print" (meaning it goes to the lab for processing) and the bad takes. The crew does the best possible to stay out of the way. After 18 hours in the hot, gritty outdoors, seven days a week, no one is at their best in coordination, concentration, you name it. Bale didn't just lose his temper. He goes on and on for minutes like a person hyped on speed. 39 times he uses the f-word. Surely that isn't just yelling at someone? There is no excuse for that kind of behavior. And yes, unfortunately, I've seen several of the "Phantasm" cast throw tantrums too. At least some of them had the grace to walk off set and fume in private. As for the "coward" who recorded and posted this... I'm sure the sound man caught this just because the tape was already rolling for the scene. As for posting it, maybe it's a good thing. I hope Bale gets an earful and wakes up to how his behavior reflects on him as a person and as a professional. Again, it's really important to keep crew morale up and this kind of nonsense can really wreck a day of filming. Come to think of it... Reggie has never gone off on this. He's so cool under pressure. Gotta admire him.
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Post by DustinM on Feb 5, 2009 1:03:34 GMT -5
Word is that the studio recorded that and sent it to their insurance company in case Bale walked off set. Apparently, this was far from his first tantrum on the film.
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Post by postmortem on Feb 5, 2009 4:23:46 GMT -5
I could see that being right. And that putting it out for all the public to see was the crew's revenge for Bale's bad behavior on set... Giving the matter more thought, if Shane is DP, that means HE is the one running the camera (generally it's the DP, NOT the director). So if Shane is up and about adjusting lights, then NO ONE is running the camera, and Bale's whole emoting session is all for nothing anyway! I have to laugh a little about this. I remember one day on Phantasm II when Angus and Shane got to talking together. Angus really liked Shane's name because it reminded him of a famous western film, "Shane." Angus' father really enjoyed going to westerns when Angus was a boy.
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Post by OblivionGoon on Feb 5, 2009 7:41:53 GMT -5
Not touching this with a 10ft pole ;D
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Post by gopher in heat on Feb 5, 2009 14:46:00 GMT -5
I'm not at all disputing that Bale went overboard. He laid into him pretty good.
I'm sure Shane is a professional and a nice person. Bale himself states in that audio that he's a nice guy. And while I'm sure you've been on movie sets and the like, I have to wonder if these films were on the scale of the new Terminator film. Bale has a $200 million dollar film that's under a TON of scrutiny on his shoulders. Let's face it, everyone and their brother takes McG for a hack, and as the lead, the success of the film practically rides on Christian Bale. It's only understandable that the man would be under a kind of pressure we could only imagine.
Does this excuse his rant? Not at all.
People seem to think I'm saying Bale wasn't in the wrong at all on this. I'm not saying that at all. All I am trying to say is that people need to stop chastising him because of this. There are a myriad of explanations and reasons he could have went off. As I've said before, this all could be taken way out of context. What happened before that audio? Did Shane say or do something to rightfully anger Bale? And what about after that audio? Maybe Bale sincerely apologized for his behavior. Simple fact is, we don't know.
And I'm not blind to the faults of actors I like. I've stated a few times now that Bale went over the top.
I feel as though Shane is being defended simply because he's worked on a Phantasm film. To suggest that Bale isn't a dedicated actor is kind of absurd... especially when a chuckle is added. The guy's been acting since he was a kid, and you can't for a second pretend that he's not excellent in his films nor extremely dedicated. Have you seen The Machinist? You tell me how an actor does that to his body for a role when he isn't dedicated. I can't think of another actor off the top of my head to do that for a role in a film, let alone one that wasn't a guaranteed blockbuster by far. He's even mastered dozens of accents/dialects. If you read any sort of biography on Bale, you'll see a ton of examples as to why he's a dedicated actor. Don't downplay his talent because you happen to be on Shane's side.
I understand how movie sets work. I know a ton of people are all around. But, and correct me if I'm wrong, but once the director yells "quiet on the set" and "action", people shouldn't be walking in the scene. One again, I DO realize Bale didn't need to go off like that, but from what I took from that audio, this wasn't the first time Shane had done this and I'm sure the time before this blow-up, Bale didn't go off like he did. As wrong as Bale might be, if I knew an actor didn't want me doing something that would screw up his focus in a scene that was being filmed, I'd be certain not to continue doing it.
Do people not even realize how many other actors have done this exact same thing, and some even worse?
So for the dozenth time, I'm not at all saying Christian Bale didn't do anything wrong. I just think people need to understand that we're in no concrete position to string the guy up, and people need to get over it.
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Post by OblivionGoon on Feb 5, 2009 15:09:46 GMT -5
I think everyone needs to take a step back and chillax a little, before things are said that will be done with regret.
It's not worth all of the emotion you guys are putting into it, trust me.
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Post by vitaman2007 on Feb 5, 2009 18:16:46 GMT -5
Those Welsh. Quite the temper. Next time hire an American. For a MAN to yell at another MAN (going for Jody's "shoot a man" speech ;D) for minutes on end, well, there is something else happening there. He (Christian), knew he could "get away" with such berating. Was it because he was older? Non threatening? Didn't Christian Bale threaten his MOTHER? It's TERMINATOR PART 4 for pete's sake! I am a non violent person, HOWEVER, no man is gonna yell at me like some crazed hormone imbalanced woman ;D (no offense Kristen ;D). Men don't do that (well, at least back in the day they didn't). Walk away or throw down. "Would you care to step outside, away from all these people and discuss this like human beings?"
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Post by scubasteve on Feb 6, 2009 2:56:07 GMT -5
Those Welsh. Quite the temper. Next time hire an American. I'll have you know I'm half welsh, boyo! I'll get Tom Jones round to give you a whooping if there's any more talk like that Frankly the whole Bale thing is bonkers. In the UK if you give a person that kind of grief on a job, it's seen as abuse and you would get prosecuted or at least sacked for that. I think there's no excuse for that kind of behaviour no matter who it's from, period. I heard some DJ has remixed the whole rant into a dance track as well.
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Post by vitaman2007 on Feb 6, 2009 10:58:42 GMT -5
Are these guys Welsh? ;D
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Post by OblivionGoon on Feb 6, 2009 16:33:01 GMT -5
I just read this on MSN.COM
"The thing that I want to stress is that I have no confusion whatsoever. I was out of order beyond belief. I was way out of order. I acted like a punk -- I regret that, and there is nobody that has heard that tape that is hit harder by it than me. So I make no excuses for it -- it is inexcusable, and I hope that is absolutely clear."
Bale went on to say he was deep in character on the day he flipped out on the set of 'Terminator: Salvation,' in which he plays John Connor. But Bale said that doesn't excuse his behavior.
"I made it ugly, and that was awful ... completely mixed up fact and fiction."
The film star says he and the crew member he was caught reprimanding on tape resolved the situation on the very day that it happened.
"I am embarrassed by it, and I regret it -- and I ask everybody to sit down and ask themselves, 'Have [you] ever had a bad day, and have [you] ever lost [your] temper and really regretted it immensely?'"
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Post by scubasteve on Feb 6, 2009 16:50:02 GMT -5
Are these guys Welsh? ;D No, but you're close! I've met a few like that. Good to see Bale apologise. Good man!
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Post by gopher in heat on Feb 6, 2009 17:21:50 GMT -5
Ah, just as I had expected. Almost down to the last detail.
Great to see him make an apology.
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Post by OblivionGoon on Feb 6, 2009 18:04:32 GMT -5
Yep, I was glad to read it.
Okay... so when does T4 come out?
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Post by gopher in heat on Feb 6, 2009 19:22:11 GMT -5
May 22nd. I'm excited as heck.
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Post by gopher in heat on Feb 6, 2009 19:28:18 GMT -5
Found a little bit lengthier version...
UPDATE:
The actor has publicly apologized for his bad behavior on the set of "Terminator Salvation" saying he "was out of order beyond belief!"
In his interview with the Los Angeles radio show Kevin & Bean, Bale says:
"I have to tell ya, it's been a miserable week for me... I know I have a potty mouth, everybody knows that now. The thing that I really wanna stress is that I have no confusion whatsoever, I was out of order beyond belief. I was way out of order. I acted like a punk, I regret that, and there is nobody that has heard that tape that it's hit harder than me. So I make no excuses for it, it was inexcusable and I hope that is absolutely clear..."
According to Bale, the drama never got close to becoming physical but blames everything on the tension of the scene, the characters:
"So many people have opinions on this, but none of them were there. Now, we're making Terminator... Sarah Connor is in an insane asylum. I play John Connor, Sarah Connor's son. Now, on the day that all of this happened, the scene that we were doing, I was trying to show a little of that in the blood craziness. You know what? It went very wrong and for reasons that myself, and Shane... and every crew member who was in that hanger at Kirkland Air Space (in Washington) that day, they know the reasons, I got annoyed and then what happened, I made it ugly, and that was awful of me. I took it way too far and completely mixed up fact and fiction, I'm half John Connor, half Christian Bale and we've heard what happened."
But here's the good news! Bale and the director of photography, the recipient of the actor's outburst, Shane Hurlbut, are still professionally friendly with each other:
"I've not only talked with him, we resolved this completely that very day. We kept working for a number of hours. Listen, when I'm saying I'm not coming back on that set if he's still there, you know what? It's hot air. I don't believe that. I had no intention of getting anybody fired. I absolutely believed in Shane's capability, he's done a wonderful job on that movie. Everything is resolved between us, there is no problem whatsoever. I've seen a cut of the movie and he has done a wonderful professional job, and I don't want anyone to have a misunderstanding about that."
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