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Post by psychotix on Jan 21, 2008 20:19:40 GMT -5
Okay. Let's talk about 'principle'.
'Principle' dictates you hold your snob-noses high in the air and wait for a local release, right?
Okay, okay. Local release comes out. It will likely be bare bones.
So you get your movie locally! But no, that won't be enough.
Then there will be the bitching and holding out on buying it based on 'principle', waiting for a special edition one day.
And when that doesn't come? Or when that does come but it doesn't, say, contain the workprint? Same old complainers will import the boolteg german workprint - why? 'Principle'
If you guys wanna know why Universal are obviously SMART in not releasing Phantasm 2 - look in the mirror. Examine your principles. That's why.
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Post by DustinM on Jan 21, 2008 20:21:31 GMT -5
I never even suggested Universal was tracking the sphere set sales. And Universal is aware that they own Phantasm II because I've been on their Home Video Distribution website (press and distributors only) and they've got it listed along with P3. They've got it listed with cast and crew information, budget and gross and other tidbits. They also have it saying on the P2 page: "This title is not currently available on VHS or DVD". They know they have it.
That makes no sense. They would release is just because they could? What?! If the Sphere Set had completely bombed and not made money - it's highly doubtful that Anchor Bay would've wanted to not only distribute P1 and P3 here in the states but plunk the money down that they did for them. They're both remastered, feature 3-D menus and supplements new to R1. $$$$$$! They're a business and are out to make money. Did you forget this? They don't release stuff simply because they can.
The Sci Fi Channel (and HBO for that matter recently) acquire the broadcast rights from Universal or Don, whoever has them. They may be separate from the home video distribution rights. As for Sci Fi brokering the deal.... are you seriously for real with that one? I'm not going to touch it. I look like enough of an @sshole already without saying anymore about this.
As for the sphere set selling out.... are you under the impression that DVD releases undergo one production run and then sell out? Because that's now how the industry works. A title doesn't simply sell out. If the first wave sells enough then they keep making more until the title is discontinued.
I'm sorry if any of this comes off as rude or arrogant.
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Post by dulcimerdude on Jan 21, 2008 20:34:48 GMT -5
I'm beginning to think that this isn't a matter of opinion. The movie is available to buy from a legal source. If you choose not to buy from that legal source for whatever reason, you are taking money from Don Coscarelli and Anchor Bay Entertainment. Your argument about where you have to buy it from is extremely weak, in my opinion. It's basically saying "Because I can't buy it from where I want to buy it from, I'm gonna steal it. And there's nothing wrong with my stealing it because it's not available at the place I want to buy it from." Legal battle? That sounds epic, doesn't it? Too epic, in fact. From what I hear, there's nothing to battle about and nothing happening legality wise either. Universal rightfully owns the movie. Don wants to own the movie. There's no legal ground here for a battle to occur. Again, that's just what I hear. I think the whole 'legal battle' bit may have originated from Wikipedia. Re-read your last line once more. If anything, purchasing a DVD from another region shows interest in the title internationally and greatly helps get the thing released. Do you think Anchor Bay would've re-released P1 and P3 here in R1 if their 2005 R2 Sphere Boxset didn't sell well? I'm thinking a big fat NO on that one. (And I'm neither offended nor angry. This is simply a dialogue.) My God...this is depressing. You make it sound like there's no chance in hell that P2 will be released here and there's nothing we can do about it...so our only option is to order the import and hack our dvd players. I can't explain it...but it just seems so wrong I guess I'll just have to illegally hack my DVD player in order to play a "legit" DVD from the UK. (hangs his head in defeat) Unless you buy a "region-free" player...if you're hacking your DVD player to accept all regions, that's just as illegal as buying a bootleg. Just sayin'. Again, I don't own any bootlegs, and probably never will despite how tempted I may be. I've purchased every DVD release of the Phantasm films so far in support of Don Coscarelli and his amazing films. And will wait patiently for P2's release in region 1. In the meantime, I will probably buy a legal region-free player so I can order a legit version of P2 from the UK. It sucks...but for now there's no getting around it. ;D
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Post by vitaman2007 on Jan 21, 2008 20:36:00 GMT -5
I've learned something. So thanks for the lesson. (Sci fi was just a joke).
But some people shouldn't post when they're having their period.
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Post by psychotix on Jan 21, 2008 20:37:27 GMT -5
Or their... vitamans?
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Post by DustinM on Jan 21, 2008 20:43:26 GMT -5
Is that supposed to be a put-down or something? If so, that's very uncalled for.
Wait... where do you get the idea that hacking your DVD player is illegal? Where did you hear that from? Hacking your DVD player is most definitely not illegal. Wal-Mart sells a $30 region-free player, btw. I have bought several of them for me and my family. They work great.
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Post by psychotix on Jan 21, 2008 20:45:36 GMT -5
By definition all DVD players are region-free, many just come with easily opened lockouts - but then, many don't.
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Post by dulcimerdude on Jan 21, 2008 20:45:43 GMT -5
Okay. Let's talk about 'principle'. 'Principle' dictates you hold your snob-noses high in the air and wait for a local release, right? Okay, okay. Local release comes out. It will likely be bare bones. So you get your movie locally! But no, that won't be enough. Then there will be the bitching and holding out on buying it based on 'principle', waiting for a special edition one day. And when that doesn't come? Or when that does come but it doesn't, say, contain the workprint? Same old complainers will import the boolteg german workprint - why? 'Principle' If you guys wanna know why Universal are obviously SMART in not releasing Phantasm 2 - look in the mirror. Examine your principles. That's why. You bet your ass I'd buy the bare bones DVD. I don't wait for special editions...granted if one came out later I'd buy that too, but I don't piss around...if a movie I want comes out, I buy it, special edition or bare bones, it doesn't matter to me. I just really want the movie ...that's what I care about. Extras are great...but I can live without them if necessary. There's your principles (teasing)
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Post by psychotix on Jan 21, 2008 20:48:10 GMT -5
Good. Because there are thousands of legit copies produced in the UK by Anchor Bay, availible to be purchased via ebay, a USA company. The end.
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Post by vitaman2007 on Jan 21, 2008 20:52:04 GMT -5
Is that supposed to be a put-down or something? If so, that's very uncalled for. No way man. Herein lies the problem with boards. It would be taken very light heartedly if we were all say, playing pool and sharing a couple pitchers of Dos Equis. I thought dulci had ya with the hacking point though. Darn.
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Post by dulcimerdude on Jan 21, 2008 20:53:14 GMT -5
Wait... where do you get the idea that hacking your DVD player is illegal? Where did you hear that from? Hacking your DVD player is most definitely not illegal. Wal-Mart sells a $30 region-free player, btw. I have bought several of them for me and my family. They work great.[/quote] Well here is one place: www.geekwithlaptop.com/category/hacking/If I'm wrong, slap me around a bit... Oh and next time I'll take some Midol before I get on here
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Post by psychotix on Jan 21, 2008 21:00:36 GMT -5
Consider yourself slapped. Link means nothing.
What means something? That you can walk into K-Mart and buy a DVD player that comes with a paper insert showing the regional unlock code. Or several other US/abroad stores.
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Post by DustinM on Jan 21, 2008 21:08:00 GMT -5
Dulci,
You are wrong.
But I'm not going to slap you around any. The Digital Millennium Communications Act of 1998 says "reverse-engineering on the basis of interoperability" is perfectly legal. Go read it sometime and you'll see what I mean.
That website you're referencing has it wrong. That's one very VERY loose interpretation of the DMCA and it actually is referring to the software used in DVD players, not the actual region encoding itself being hacked. Hacking your DVD player is fine because as 'psychotix' said, all DVD players by definition are region free. That's why it's so very easy to hack them. You just type in a short series of numbers.
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Post by gopher in heat on Jan 21, 2008 22:12:49 GMT -5
I've been reading the debate here, but I will not get involved haha.
I just wanted to chime in about the "all DVD players by definition are region free"... since I own a Pioneer DV 270 and I am nearly 100% certain that it can't be hacked. I very VERY much wish it could be, so I mean if all DVD players can be hacked to be region free I really wish I knew how to hack mine.
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Post by DustinM on Jan 21, 2008 22:27:35 GMT -5
Tony,
Region-coding of DVD players is nothing but a restriction imposed upon the hardware. By nature, DVD players are region-free until they're restricted to be otherwise by the companies that make them. As psychotix is pointing out.... more and more companies these days aren't restricting players.
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Post by psychotix on Jan 21, 2008 23:58:18 GMT -5
I feel sorry for those reading silently on the sidelines of this discussion not wanting to get into it... isn't this truly what message boards are for? Lively discussion? I feel we've made some leeway and convinced some people on either side of the argument that there is more than just your 'principle'.
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Post by gopher in heat on Jan 22, 2008 0:11:04 GMT -5
Don't feel sorry for me, chap. I know when and when not to get into a heated discussion. Just because I can, doesn't mean I want to or have to. I have my opinions, and if I felt like sharing I would have. Personally, I agree with Dustin and what a few others are saying... importing the Region 2 discs is the only ethical option. I am strongly against bootlegs of any form, be in film or music or whatever. I understand dulci's qualms with no Region 1 Phantasm 2 DVD, but I really don't think he's making a very strong case for himself. Bottom line is this: either import the Sphere Set or keep on waiting for a Region 1 release. In any case, support Don and the cast/crew... not some bootlegger out to make a buck off of something he doesn't deserve to. By the way Dustin, yeah I get what you're saying. I just wish that I knew how to hack mine.
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Post by Red Planet Minion on Jan 22, 2008 3:22:00 GMT -5
I dont see what is so wrong with importing the R2 dvd, Atleast that way you are getting a legit dvd with special features, And also I do believe Phantasm II will get released here in the US, People thought Twilight Zone The Movie wouldnt get released and a couple of months ago look what happened, It did, But Im getting myself the sphere set so that I will have a legit copy of Phantasm II that will hold me over til they put it out in R1.
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Post by Red Planet Minion on Jan 22, 2008 3:33:04 GMT -5
I found out how to hack my dvd player, It was so easy!, Im getting the sphere set within the next few days. dulcimerdude thanks for that link.
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Post by The Never Dead on Jan 22, 2008 9:41:08 GMT -5
Getting the Sphere set is pretty easy to do. Hacking a DVD player is easy to do if you have a hackable DVD player. I've done both & am enjoying Phantasm II(plus the other movies plus the amazing bonus disc).
I got my Sphere set off Ebay for around $40(including shipping) from a guy in the UK & it was here in 9 days.
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