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Post by jjrakman on Mar 26, 2014 16:33:49 GMT -5
Let the speculation begin!
It seems as though the series has been kind of building up to having Mike become the Tall Man's protégé and taking his place. With that said, given the likelihood that Phantasm V will be Angus Scrimm's last outing as the Tall Man due to his age, how likely is it that Phantasm V will simply hand the torch over to Mike, who could then serve as the Tall Man for more future Phantasm films?
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Post by TEOS on Mar 26, 2014 16:36:44 GMT -5
Thinking entirely selfishly, I'd like to think that if more sequels were planned beyond 5, they would have gotten some extra shots of Angus in the Tall Man garb during 5's production to store until later needed. It's just not Phantasm without Angus.
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Post by jjrakman on Mar 26, 2014 16:40:57 GMT -5
Thinking entirely selfishly, I'd like to think that if more sequels were planned beyond 5, they would have gotten some extra shots of Angus in the Tall Man garb during 5's production to store until later needed. Considering how much extra footage they shot for the first film, and how much time they spent shooting this raVager, I think it's a good possibility. The question then is, should they go on with Mike as the new Tall Man, or should they retire the franchise if Angus Scrimm is too much a part of it? Keep in mind, if they decide not to do future sequels and retire the franchise, it's possible that it will only be a few years after they do so that someone decides to reboot it.
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Post by OblivionGoon on Mar 26, 2014 16:57:36 GMT -5
One day removed from the announcement of P5 and now were speculating on P6..... oy vey.
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Post by jjrakman on Mar 26, 2014 16:59:03 GMT -5
One day removed from the announcement of P5 and now were speculating on P6..... oy vey. I was waiting for such a comment. lol But look, there's a chance that raVager could conceivably establish the future of the franchise for the reasons I've listed above. Why not have some fun speculating about it?
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Post by OblivionGoon on Mar 26, 2014 17:02:29 GMT -5
Why not have some fun speculating about it? Have all the fun you want. I'm hoping that Ravager is the final nail in the coffin, pun intended.
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Post by jjrakman on Mar 26, 2014 17:05:15 GMT -5
Have all the fun you want. I'm hoping that Ravager is the final nail in the coffin, pun intended. I hear you. That's fair, I'm not sure I would necessarily be all that excited about a continuing franchise without Angus myself. Hopefully they won't reboot it though. I'd rather see Mike take the helm in future sequels than a reboot myself.
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Post by bigphan1990 on Mar 27, 2014 23:09:39 GMT -5
One day removed from the announcement of P5 and now were speculating on P6..... oy vey. My thoughts exactly. Have all the fun you want. I'm hoping that Ravager is the final nail in the coffin, pun intended. Me too. Let the series end with RaVager though IMO, let it go out on a high note with good triumphs (sorry).
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Post by jjrakman on Mar 28, 2014 14:03:54 GMT -5
Party poopers.
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Post by krakenslayer on Mar 29, 2014 12:28:14 GMT -5
I doubt they will, or should, make a P6, if anything they are likely to do a big budget remake instead. However, if they *must* reboot it, I think it should be with a whole new cast of characters (i.e. not recasting Reggie and co.) and they should definitely put Michael Baldwin in the Tall Man role; a thin connecting thread of trans-dimensional continuity that would sweeten the bitter pill for the phans. The movie would then be playing out elsewhere in the same multiverse as the originals. In-character cameos of Reggie, Jebediah, Jody, etc. could be worked in somehow. Obviously, the canonicity of it would be dependant upon how RaVager plays out...
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Post by jjrakman on Mar 29, 2014 12:57:50 GMT -5
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Post by krakenslayer on Mar 29, 2014 13:20:42 GMT -5
Some good ideas there.
Personally, I think the real barrier to making the sort of big budget Phantasm film that a studio would want to finance is not the actors' ages (by all accounts, Angus is in excellent health, and with a little luck could keep working well into his 90s), but the fact that the series has built up such a complex mythology. There just aren't enough hardcore phans to warrant a big theatrical release, so it would be imperative that any such film also attracted casual horror fans and regular moviegoers too. With so many abstract ideas and long term story arcs, direct sequels are necessarily going to be too involved and impenetrable to newcomers, like picking up Lost for the first time in Series 6. An attempt to continue the same story in a way that appealed to both new and old fans could easily end up being an unhappy compromise.
A "reboot" goes some way towards mitigating this. The new characters have to actually figure out what is going on for the first time, which would provide exposition in a digestible form for series newbies, whilst having Mike as the Tall Man would reassure long-termers that the new movie does not disregard or "overwrite" the previous continuity, with Reggie and Co's war with the TM forming a sort of vague backstory to the new series.
Honestly, I am not too enthused at the idea of a reboot, but taking the realist view that it probably *will* happen sooner or later, I think this would be a better approach than just wiping the slate clean.
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Post by jjrakman on Mar 29, 2014 17:24:02 GMT -5
The only age that I think is pertinent at this point is Angus. With luck he could work into his 90s, but realistically he could go at any time now.
I don't necessarily think the complex mythology would be a problem, with the type of next generation Phantasm 6 and onward that I suggest.
You could easily treat Phantasm 6 as the first film in a new series, with Mike as the Tall Man, there wouldn't necessarily have to be any direct storyline connections. It could begin with the same mystery surrounding Mike that the firs one had surrounding the Tall Man. In this way, old fans would know what's going on a bit more, but new uninitiated fans would end up viewing this much in the same way that folks viewed the first one. I think the key to doing this would be to treat the first 5 films as a backstory for the new iteration, and treat Phantasm 6 like the first film in a new series.
Kind of like the way Star Trek set things up with the next generation. Fans of the original series could find more to enjoy, but you didn't necessarily have to be a fan of the original series or even know anything about it to enjoy the next generation. They were connected, but only slightly, and they weren't necessarily dependent on one another.
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Post by krakenslayer on Mar 29, 2014 19:02:11 GMT -5
The only age that I think is pertinent at this point is Angus. With luck he could work into his 90s, but realistically he could go at any time now. Well, he could, any of us could, but people who get to their late 80s without major health problems tend not to just keel over at a moment's notice. This is kind of an uncomfortable, perhaps borderline disrespectful thing to speculate on, but elderly people's deaths are usually precipitated by a either a long illness or a series of short ones. Pretty much every time Angus's age is brought up by people in the know, it is mentioned what great health he is in. If something happened to him tomorrow without warning, I'd be pretty surprised. I don't necessarily think the complex mythology would be a problem, with the type of next generation Phantasm 6 and onward that I suggest. You could easily treat Phantasm 6 as the first film in a new series, with Mike as the Tall Man, there wouldn't necessarily have to be any direct storyline connections. It could begin with the same mystery surrounding Mike that the firs one had surrounding the Tall Man. In this way, old fans would know what's going on a bit more, but new uninitiated fans would end up viewing this much in the same way that folks viewed the first one. I think the key to doing this would be to treat the first 5 films as a backstory for the new iteration, and treat Phantasm 6 like the first film in a new series. Kind of like the way Star Trek set things up with the next generation. Fans of the original series could find more to enjoy, but you didn't necessarily have to be a fan of the original series or even know anything about it to enjoy the next generation. They were connected, but only slightly, and they weren't necessarily dependent on one another. Totally! That's pretty much exactly what I was trying to say!
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Post by jjrakman on Mar 29, 2014 20:01:21 GMT -5
I wonder if such a new iteration of Phantasm would work best as an HBO or Showtime 13 episodes/season series or feature films.
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Post by jbdms on Mar 29, 2014 21:08:12 GMT -5
I wonder if such a new iteration of Phantasm would work best as an HBO or Showtime 13 episodes/season series or feature films. I would say that would be a good idea, But HBO had or does have a history of dropping shows. Carnivale would be my example of this. It was written out to be around 9 seasons. HBO dropped it after the 2nd season on a season finale never to return again. Apparently for legal / rights reasons, the Creator of the series lost his rights to bringing it back elsewhere. Man, that show was right up there with Phantasm,Twin Peaks,X files, for me.
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Post by phantasmaniac on Mar 29, 2014 22:21:48 GMT -5
I wonder if such a new iteration of Phantasm would work best as an HBO or Showtime 13 episodes/season series or feature films. I would say that would be a good idea, But HBO had or does have a history of dropping shows. Carnivale would be my example of this. It was written out to be around 9 seasons. HBO dropped it after the 2nd season on a season finale never to return again. Apparently for legal / rights reasons, the Creator of the series lost his rights to bringing it back elsewhere. Man, that show was right up there with Phantasm,Twin Peaks,X files, for me. Carnivale was amazing I hate HBO for canceling, what a cliffhanger.
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Post by neosmith on Apr 3, 2014 4:38:00 GMT -5
I wonder if such a new iteration of Phantasm would work best as an HBO or Showtime 13 episodes/season series or feature films. I would say that would be a good idea, But HBO had or does have a history of dropping shows. Carnivale would be my example of this. It was written out to be around 9 seasons. HBO dropped it after the 2nd season on a season finale never to return again. Apparently for legal / rights reasons, the Creator of the series lost his rights to bringing it back elsewhere. Man, that show was right up there with Phantasm,Twin Peaks,X files, for me. Actually, Carnivale was planned as a 6-season show, but could've very well wrapped in 3, at least according to interviews with various personnel. It unfortunately came at a time when the channel was having a lot of bid budget series that weren't doing well in the numbers. An that was before the financial crisis hit full swing. Given that From Dusk Till Dawn became a series, I think Phantasm would work very well in the format. But it'd need a new cast, a good budget, something like 10 hours/season, since premium cable doesn't really do 12-13 anymore and a staff writers who can plan far ahead. I'd love for a show like that to exist, but I think the odds are pretty slim it'd ever make it to air. Netflix, Amazon and other web services are more likely. Horror is also becoming the new big thing for TV in general, so who knows?
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Post by mirai on Apr 3, 2014 7:15:40 GMT -5
isn't netflix still wanting to do another season of Twin Peaks? i know when the news about The Dark Tower movies was still big netflix waded in and stated they wanted to do a new season of Twin Peaks along with a Dark Tower series
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Post by Kitty on Apr 24, 2014 16:28:52 GMT -5
Although it's fairly possible that Mike could become The Tall Man, to be honest, Angus is Phantasm - it wouldn't be the same without him.
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