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Post by jjrakman on Apr 1, 2014 9:55:35 GMT -5
So in the beginning of the third film, we see a recap of the climax of part 2, where the Tall Man is killed by being injected with embalming fluid laced with hydrochloric acid.
Then, a new Tall Man comes out of the gate, picks up the corpse of the dissolved dead Tall Man and throws it through the gate.
This new Tall Man seemingly has a complete memory of Mike and all that happened before.
So this would seem to indicate that the physical manifestation of the Tall Man is merely a vehicle for the consciousness inside.
Thoughts?
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Post by Natalie on Apr 1, 2014 19:05:32 GMT -5
You know, I never really did think of that before. Well, if I remember correctly, in part 3, we see the Tall Man watching a sphere that was "watching" Mike with an eye sphere while he was lying in the hospital bed. So, we know the Tall Man is watching Mike without physically being there. Maybe this could mean that the physical manifestation is just a vessel that the true alien form is controlling. If there were a consciousness inside, I should have been destroyed as each vessel is destroyed. So, I would say there has to be some bigger evil controlling what the Tall Man is.
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Post by phantasmaniac on Apr 3, 2014 2:51:28 GMT -5
Yeah and at the end we find out its a gold sphere is the consciousness of the tall man, they put the sphere in the cyrogenic tank. When Tim goes back he notices a time gate then sees the tank spilled over on its side, a minute later a new tallman emerges through the door. A gold sphere is also put into Michael's head.
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Post by ogredixon on Apr 7, 2014 10:58:43 GMT -5
Interesting thoughts! I have re-watched all 4 films recently in anticipation of Ravager and one point that sticks out to me is at the end of Oblivion when Reg and the Tall Man are fighting and the Tall Man says something like "Ice cream man, it's all in his head". Inferring that all of the events are in Mike's head? Not sure what to make of that given the discussion above. If everything is in Mike's head, it would make sense that the Tall Man knows everything at all times and whatever new version of him shows up after his different current vessel is destroyed, automatically knows the story due to that fact; it's all in Mike's head. Can't wait for Ravager to explain more of this awesome story.
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Post by krakenslayer on Apr 8, 2014 7:24:43 GMT -5
Interesting thoughts! I have re-watched all 4 films recently in anticipation of Ravager and one point that sticks out to me is at the end of Oblivion when Reg and the Tall Man are fighting and the Tall Man says something like "Ice cream man, it's all in his head". Inferring that all of the events are in Mike's head? Not sure what to make of that given the discussion above. If everything is in Mike's head, it would make sense that the Tall Man knows everything at all times and whatever new version of him shows up after his different current vessel is destroyed, automatically knows the story due to that fact; it's all in Mike's head. Can't wait for Ravager to explain more of this awesome story. I agree. The genius of the line, though, is that it can be read in different ways. Does he mean it metaphorically (i.e. Is it all a product of Mike's imagination, if so, where does that leave Reggie? Is he a mere figment of Mike, too?), or is he literally referring to the sphere in Mike's head, or is it some combination of the two.
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Post by jjrakman on Sept 20, 2014 22:23:53 GMT -5
Well, I just got done reviewing Part I for my annual Phantasm movie marathon and had some additional thoughts.
Could the Tall Man be an incubus/succubus?
In Part I he seems to shift between the Tall Man and the Lady in Lavender.
One of the legends about the incubus/succubus, is that the succubus will have sex with a male victim. Then take the male victim's seed into her.
The succubus then transforms into the male incubus, and then has sex with a woman, implanting the stolen send into her. I believe in the Arthurian legends, that this is how Merlin the Magician is conceived.
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Post by jjrakman on Sept 20, 2014 22:27:47 GMT -5
Here's another question.
In Part I we see that that Tall Man is not confined to the location of the cemetery or funeral home.
He's seen walking in town, as he walks past the Ice Cream truck and reacts to the cold coming from the open door.
So where did he come from, and where is he going?
What does the Tall Man do in town during the day?
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Post by jjrakman on Sept 20, 2014 22:29:37 GMT -5
One more question.
In Part I when Reggie places his hands on the chrome pillars, when he does so we immediately cut to the Lady in Lavender and see her gasp.
So there appears to be some sort of connection between the Tall Man/Lady in Lavendar connection, either metaphysical or technical.
What is the nature of this connection?
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Post by jjrakman on Sept 20, 2014 22:56:59 GMT -5
Another aspect of the Tall Man is that when a piece of him is cut off, like his finger was in Part I, it becomes a being all its own. This reminds me of The Thing where each little part become its own monster.
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Post by jjrakman on Sept 20, 2014 23:00:13 GMT -5
Is the Tall Man a walk-in spirit that possesses the body of Jebediah after he entered the gate, or is the Tall Man merely a doppleganger of Jebediah's form?
I'm leaning towards the latter, because of the scene in one of the sequels where he comes out of the gate and throws his own destroyed copy of his body into it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 8:16:51 GMT -5
I've always wondered if the Tall Man is linked with Satanic forces, or possibly is a demon from Hell. I mean, while he's obviously influenced by the Lovecraftian creations such as the Mi-Go, the films do give some hints that he's linked with Old Scratch: - The Tall Man's links with raising the dead and lurking via people's fears and desires, as well as how his original hometown/surname, Morningside, doesn't sound that far off from "Morning Star", one of Lucifer's titles. And the Morning Star was another name for Venus, a planet with an amazingly dense gravity and hot atmosphere - a bit like the Red Planet then! -His link with insect life - yellow blood, body parts turning into bugs, even the Spheres behaving like pissed-off wasps - already puts a link between him and Beelzebub, Lord of the Flies, and how the Red Planet resembles Hell - and hey, in Dante's Inferno, Satan was imprisoned in ice - probably why Tally hates the cold so much. -The scene with Father Meyers in P2. Barring the obvious Satanic imagery of upside down crucifixes, notice how he says "You think you go to Heaven - you come to us!" Who is "us"? And why didn't he disprove the existence of Hell either? He could've been more general, but only disproves Heaven? Is this a universe where God is dead? -P3 introduces "demons" (Demon Nurse and Demon Trooper) - are they called that because they come from his world or because they are suffering from "demonic" possession (In this case thanks to a sphere?). -P4 has the scene where Mike says "God d**n you to Hell! and he replies with "Not possible". Either this implies that there's no Hell at all, or it means there's no God to d**n them. And I suppose you can't d**n the Devil himself to Hell when he's already there. -The scene where Tally rescues Mike from his suicide in Death Valley so that he can join him does carry connections with how Satan tempted Jesus in the desert. And of course, it's fitting how the full name the Tall Man's nemesis - later revealed to be of the same species of godlike beings as the Tall Man himself - would be named Michael Pearson. Urgh, sorry for rambling so much...
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Post by fantasyball on Sept 28, 2014 13:40:11 GMT -5
-P3 introduces "demons" (Demon Nurse and Demon Trooper) - are they called that because they come from his world or because they are suffering from "demonic" possession (In this case thanks to a sphere?). Fantastic post Myr!!! Yes, there is a lot of satanic stuff in there, though not rubbed in our faces. I agree that the "demon nurse" and "demon trooper" both do imply that there is a demon involved... Maybe Jebediah got possessed by accident, traveling into the dimension of hell and back. It is a good master- explanation to my ears... Again, great research =D
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Post by Kitty on Dec 15, 2014 4:04:35 GMT -5
Crikey - this is quite a thread!
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Post by nmurphy90 on Jan 3, 2015 0:45:23 GMT -5
I've always wondered if the Tall Man is linked with Satanic forces, or possibly is a demon from Hell. I mean, while he's obviously influenced by the Lovecraftian creations such as the Mi-Go, the films do give some hints that he's linked with Old Scratch: - The Tall Man's links with raising the dead and lurking via people's fears and desires, as well as how his original hometown/surname, Morningside, doesn't sound that far off from "Morning Star", one of Lucifer's titles. And the Morning Star was another name for Venus, a planet with an amazingly dense gravity and hot atmosphere - a bit like the Red Planet then! -His link with insect life - yellow blood, body parts turning into bugs, even the Spheres behaving like pissed-off wasps - already puts a link between him and Beelzebub, Lord of the Flies, and how the Red Planet resembles Hell - and hey, in Dante's Inferno, Satan was imprisoned in ice - probably why Tally hates the cold so much. -The scene with Father Meyers in P2. Barring the obvious Satanic imagery of upside down crucifixes, notice how he says "You think you go to Heaven - you come to us!" Who is "us"? And why didn't he disprove the existence of Hell either? He could've been more general, but only disproves Heaven? Is this a universe where God is dead? -P3 introduces "demons" (Demon Nurse and Demon Trooper) - are they called that because they come from his world or because they are suffering from "demonic" possession (In this case thanks to a sphere?). -P4 has the scene where Mike says "God d**n you to Hell! and he replies with "Not possible". Either this implies that there's no Hell at all, or it means there's no God to d**n them. And I suppose you can't d**n the Devil himself to Hell when he's already there. -The scene where Tally rescues Mike from his suicide in Death Valley so that he can join him does carry connections with how Satan tempted Jesus in the desert. And of course, it's fitting how the full name the Tall Man's nemesis - later revealed to be of the same species of godlike beings as the Tall Man himself - would be named Michael Pearson. Urgh, sorry for rambling so much... GENIUS. O.O holy hell.
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