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Post by OblivionGoon on May 29, 2008 22:30:07 GMT -5
This is exactly what I LOVE about P4. I just hope that they continue this idea in P5 (if it happens). For me this would make the series come full circle. We are always what we hate.
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Post by postmortem on May 30, 2008 2:42:17 GMT -5
We are always what we hate.
Whoa, that's profound... I think it's more a matter of embracing the good and the bad. Of reaching a balance. Realizing the potential for becoming what we hate, and then pulling back, skirting the edge, not taking the fall. I think that's the way of it for Mike Pearson as well. Tempted to become a new Tall Man, but in the end rejecting this in favor of his humanity and his friendship for Reggie.
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Post by OblivionGoon on May 30, 2008 3:23:36 GMT -5
Realizing the potential for becoming what we hate, and then pulling back, skirting the edge, not taking the fall. I think that's the way of it for Mike Pearson as well. Tempted to become a new Tall Man, but in the end rejecting this in favor of his humanity and his friendship for Reggie. I can see that. However there is nothing humane about the series. Granted an undertone to the whole idea is the evil in the world and why humanity is worth saving. I just think that Mike is trying so hard to not become The Tall Man that he will eventually lead himself there. You can see it in P4 with the flashes between a side profile of The Tall Man and Mike. I think that Mike is fighting so hard against The Tall Man that he is losing sight of the goal and losing sight on why he originally started his quest, which is leading him right where The Tall Man wants him. As he says in P3, "You have ended up where you began, welcome home boy" (para-phrased). That is exactly where he is headed, home, to The Tall Man.
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Post by 4barrelhemi on Jun 1, 2008 4:30:00 GMT -5
I agree with P3-P4 it seems like the Tall Man wants to have Mike to take over for him.
However if you notice in Phantasm and P2 it doesn't seem that way at all. I recall in the first one Tall Man wanted to kill Mike and in P2 Tall Man had both Mike and Liz and he threw Mike away to take Liz.
So really one never know's I guess.
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Post by Natalie on Jun 1, 2008 9:22:11 GMT -5
I always thought P2 kind of always stood out from the rest. It didn't really flow smoothly. At the beginning of P3, they just killed Liz off. They didn't even mention her throughout the film.
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Post by nitelinger on Jun 2, 2008 17:49:32 GMT -5
I have wondered for a long time if they went ahead & set it up so Mike could become the Tall Man, if they needed. Just in case (Heaven forbid) anything happend to Angus?
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Post by onlyAdream on Jun 2, 2008 18:46:25 GMT -5
Yeah see, I always thought that too; The Tall Man wanted an apprentice and so he goes around Mike's head and screws around with him, training him, etc... I've never really thought the two were related, or one and the same being (being as how The Tall Man used to be human though).
I'm awfully curious about how Mike got that sphere in his head though. Doesn't the Tall Man take the brains and put them in the sphere's and then compress the bodies (mindless droans) into dwarves?
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Post by nitelinger on Jun 2, 2008 20:17:36 GMT -5
It would be a trip if the Tall Man was really "Future Mike" Being , Mike and the Tall Man are the same person, Tally is just "OLD" Mike. That fits in with Gopher's "Back to the Future" idea to a Tee!!!
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Post by mirai on Jun 15, 2008 11:54:05 GMT -5
i've recently watched oblIVion again, and the way i see it the Tall Man is training Mike to follow in his footsteps because if you remember in the desert scene after Mike falls from the hanging tree and Angus holds his hand out to help him up he says "we have much work to do" or something like that
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Post by Hellbound on Sept 30, 2008 3:04:14 GMT -5
I joked about this when talking to a friend, about how the Tall Man might make Mike more like him. As we all know, Mike isn't exactly what you call "tall". So what is the Tall Man gonna do, put him into the dwarf-making machine and hit "reverse"?
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Post by gopher in heat on Sept 30, 2008 10:41:35 GMT -5
I don't think that's how it works.
As we all know, the Tall Man himself is an alien entity... who has had countless replacement bodies. I think it's safe to assume that the size of Jeb Morningside isn't consistent with the height of the Tall Man. This probably means that when "Tall Beings" are "created", they enter a new vessel or body. As the Tall Man himself says, "Let me release you from this imperfect flesh that ties you to time and space". Obviously the Tall Man isn't tied to time and space so his body must be different than a humans.
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Post by Hellbound on Sept 30, 2008 19:43:38 GMT -5
I don't think that's how it works. As we all know, the Tall Man himself is an alien entity... who has had countless replacement bodies. I think it's safe to assume that the size of Jeb Morningside isn't consistent with the height of the Tall Man. This probably means that when "Tall Beings" are "created", they enter a new vessel or body. As the Tall Man himself says, "Let me release you from this imperfect flesh that ties you to time and space". Obviously the Tall Man isn't tied to time and space so his body must be different than a humans. It was a joke lol, though that does look like what the Tall Man did to Mike in Reggie's dream.
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Post by creeper on Feb 5, 2010 23:03:48 GMT -5
After watching Phantasm IV this week, I think that Mike is either A) The Tall Man but sent from the past or another dimension B) an experiment of the Tall Man's.
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Post by pumpmonkey on Feb 9, 2010 13:01:21 GMT -5
Of course, it would be *quite* the twist if this was all a dream of REGGIE'S. Maybe MIKE and JODY died in a wreck and REGGIE feels responsible. He feels he could/should have prevented their demise in some way, and these dreams are the symbolic representations of his subconscious attempting to cope with that fact.
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Post by fabienvanec on May 31, 2014 9:51:50 GMT -5
I have a question :
At the end of part 4 when the Tall man say to Reggie "Ice cream man, it is all in his head" I have the feeling that the "his" is not for Mike but for Reggie. So I also Wonder if phantasm 1 is mike's phantasm while part 2 to 4 is Reggie's phantasm. Just wondering
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Post by phanboy on May 31, 2014 13:05:50 GMT -5
I have a question :
At the end of part 4 when the Tall man say to Reggie "Ice cream man, it is all in his head" I have the feeling that the "his" is not for Mike but for Reggie. So I also Wonder if phantasm 1 is mike's phantasm while part 2 to 4 is Reggie's phantasm. Just wondering When ever anyone says 'It's in his mind" they are referering to Mike. Another question might be where is Mike's mind is it in one of the Gold spheres?
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Post by fabienvanec on Jun 1, 2014 2:21:08 GMT -5
"When ever anyone says 'It's in his mind" they are referering to Mike" How is that a rule ? Who says it ? Don Coscarelli ? I don't agree with your initial postulate
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Post by phanboy on Jun 1, 2014 7:04:49 GMT -5
"When ever anyone says 'It's in his mind" they are referering to Mike" How is that a rule ? Who says it ? Don Coscarelli ? I don't agree with your initial postulate I don't think Phantasm has any rules, but there are paterns I noticed. The Fortuneteller's Grandaughter tells Mike the fear is a reflection and "its in your mind". If the tall man was refering to Reggie he would have said something like." Ice cream man or little man its in your mind. or Its in the Boy's mind. by the way I like your avator It's what reminded me of the Ood.
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Post by fabienvanec on Jun 1, 2014 7:25:21 GMT -5
I agree with you there is no rules and all we can do is interpret Doctor who is a great show also But still in the fourth movie the way the Tall man is saying " ice cream man it's all in his head" sounds like a nursery rhyme as if he was teeling him and ignoring him at the same time, thus using "his mind" while meaning your mind.
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Post by phanboy on Jun 1, 2014 8:25:50 GMT -5
I think the Tall man might have a warped sort affection for Mike and Reggie. Both Chemy and the Tall Man like to slap our balding hero around a bit but then leave him for dead or knocked out when they could have easily finished him off.
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