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Post by bartholomew on Sept 10, 2015 16:01:37 GMT -5
Not only are fans angry but some are confused including the actors and crew members of the film. That so called "leaked" trailer that only convention people were allowed to see was posted on Kat Lester's FB page and a few other crew members until Gigi posted on her FB page that it will be taken down. One fan got very angry and bashed Gigi very badly. I understand she has the right for freedom of speech but sometimes you just need to watch what you say. Especially when she is asking for donations for kickstarters and other organizations. Although I did get a kick when "Reggie" posted on her page "hey don't talk to my wife like that"....seriously, we know Gigi runs his FB page. If you ever watch some of the things she posts, it's posted only minutes later on his page...lol
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Post by scrd15 on Sept 10, 2015 17:24:58 GMT -5
Hahah that Gigi, what a character. Anywho, I can kind of see why that fan was a bit pissed off. This lack of updates is just ridiculous.
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Post by hellnback on Sept 12, 2015 1:12:36 GMT -5
Coscarelli has finally given an update on the release date. At Kentucky Scarefest he said the new release date will be sometime in 2016. Just like I predicted. Now I am seriously pissed off.
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Post by xscrimshotx on Sept 12, 2015 1:59:01 GMT -5
So another vague time frame. I kind of figured it would boil down to this if anything was announced at that convention. This has to be some kind of record; releasing a trailer for a movie 3 years in advance, assuming they stick to 2016 at all. Personally, I find this so discouraging, I literally just instantly lost interest in this. I'll dedicate my fanboy time to other things now...like the X-Files miniseries coming out in January. There's a solid release date on that, at least.
Thanks for the update anyway, hellnback. :-)
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Post by bladerunner7 on Sept 13, 2015 0:35:47 GMT -5
In my earlier replay, I nailed the 2016 date, FX etc is not complete and Hartman's illness slowed it down, again its gonna be worth the wait....
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Post by phanboy on Sept 13, 2015 13:56:39 GMT -5
3 Years! It was announced in March 2014, So if it comes out in March of 2016. Thats 2 years. six months from now.
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Post by xscrimshotx on Sept 13, 2015 15:56:53 GMT -5
3 Years! It was announced in March 2014, So if it comes out in March of 2016. Thats 2 years. six months from now. I stand corrected. It's *ONLY* going on 2 years. lol
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Post by DustinM on Sept 13, 2015 17:58:28 GMT -5
3 Years! It was announced in March 2014, So if it comes out in March of 2016. Thats 2 years. six months from now. I stand corrected. It's *ONLY* going on 2 years. lol See, that's not how I count it. For me it's been nearly seven years on account of filming beginning back in late 2008.
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Post by xscrimshotx on Sept 13, 2015 19:08:23 GMT -5
I stand corrected. It's *ONLY* going on 2 years. lol See, that's not how I count it. For me it's been nearly seven years on account of filming beginning back in late 2008. Truth. In a way, I can't believe it's already been as long as it has since that still of Reggie in the woods leaked on the interwebs. I understand this is a project that lacks studio intervention, but as I said before, neither that teaser nor the announcement that P5 exists, should've been made public until they had a solid game plan for release. All it did was hype up fans prematurely for nothing and subject everyone to a loooooooooooooooooong, frustrating wait. I also understand that Hartman's sick. And to some of you that say "it's worth the wait", you can't really assess that unless you've actually seen the thing. Also, what if it NEVER gets released? Suppose they shelve the thing permanently. Just because this thing's been shot, it doesn't mean it's getting released. Movies have been shot and unreleased to the public before. Edit: Even though Vincent Gallo seems like a temperamental individual, here's a good example of a film that never found distribution: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promises_Written_in_WaterYou could argue that P5 would be a better film, but this type of situation still happened.
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Post by xscrimshotx on Sept 14, 2015 6:02:07 GMT -5
Apologies for this double post, but maybe I lost my cool a bit in the above post. I'm sure the movie will be released in time. The wait is just stupid and it feels like that first trailer came out years ago already, but I suppose things go that way when you're anticipating a sequel to one of your favorite films.
That said, I hope you folks with saint-like patience are right.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 11:02:06 GMT -5
continually moving the goal is turning off a lot of people. in the future, negative reviews will make a mountain out of this pre-release debacle; announcing the movie two + years ahead of time was a stupid mistake.
i'm on record here as personally thinking a part V is not particularly warranted, and that certain production choices (those damned "special" FX) are sure to irk me greatly, so they can take another decade to squeeze it out as far as i'm concerned -- i'll see it, but i'm not sure i want to.
still, it's easy to understand fans' frustration. i don't buy the "distribution trouble" excuse in this day and age. i can only speculate, again, that the completed movie is nowhere near good enough (whether down to hartman, the script, top-heaviness, seven years gestation, or something else) and they're in an unending rabbit-hole trying to "fix" it -- _that_ makes more sense, and it's not something they'd cop to.
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Post by DustinM on Sept 14, 2015 19:19:07 GMT -5
still, it's easy to understand fans' frustration. i don't buy the "distribution trouble" excuse in this day and age. i can only speculate, again, that the completed movie is nowhere near good enough (whether down to hartman, the script, top-heaviness, seven years gestation, or something else) and they're in an unending rabbit-hole trying to "fix" it -- _that_ makes more sense, and it's not something they'd cop to. You know, your speculation isn't half bad, but quit reading between the lines, bub.... or no doubt a silver sphere is going to magically show up at your door care of old Don.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 19:39:04 GMT -5
still, it's easy to understand fans' frustration. i don't buy the "distribution trouble" excuse in this day and age. i can only speculate, again, that the completed movie is nowhere near good enough (whether down to hartman, the script, top-heaviness, seven years gestation, or something else) and they're in an unending rabbit-hole trying to "fix" it -- _that_ makes more sense, and it's not something they'd cop to. You know, your speculation isn't half bad, but quit reading between the lines, bub.... or no doubt a silver sphere is going to magically show up at your door care of old Don. ha! and you never know when it's coming...
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Post by bunsen5x on Sept 14, 2015 21:08:17 GMT -5
There's an old saying in the industry which is most movies don't age like fine wine they age like fish. The longer something is on the shelf it's libel to decay, look and feel dated, and ultimately be irrelevant. What I'm really curious about is why the process took 8 years? That must be a world record for narrative feature filmmaking. I greatly appreciate the effort and I look forward to seeing the movie, but 8 years is kind of absurd. A documentary on the making of Ravager would be epic.
Dustin, I have a couple questions for you since you've known about this project the longest. When you had first learned about Ravager was it still in it's web series incarnation or had it already morphed into Phantasm V? Also, when did you initially find out that the project ultimately became P5? Did you know before last year's announcement?
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Post by DustinM on Sept 14, 2015 22:03:47 GMT -5
Dustin, I have a couple questions for you since you've known about this project the longest. When you had first learned about Ravager was it still in it's web series incarnation or had it already morphed into Phantasm V? Also, when did you initially find out that the project ultimately became P5? Did you know before last year's announcement? I initially learned of the project in 2008 before the first frame was shot. Someone on the production dropped me an email telling me I should really get out to Crestline on a certain weekend because something really important was going down and I wouldn't regret it. Almost immediately after, the cast and crew learned I was beginning a book project not authorized by Don Coscarelli and I became persona non grata for official Phantasm purposes. It was still a web series then and remained as such throughout 2009. I learned little by little as the project morphed into Ravager. I did know it was being expanded to feature length years prior to the Ravager announcement, but I hadn't heard that title until then. I always called it "Reggie's Tales" after the web series title and, if we're being honest with ourselves, we probably ought to still be calling it that. This is practically a spinoff film as Reggie has traditionally been a sidekick. This is now his film, his moment to shine.
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Post by bunsen5x on Sept 14, 2015 23:53:46 GMT -5
Interesting so it's safe to say that it's taking a similar narrative to part III which was basically Reggie's film as well.
Its a strange choice considering this will likely be the last film in the original cannon. One would think the film would be Mike's narrative or at least a duel Mike/Reggie narrative. I really hope they don't blow it as Mike is the heart of the series.
I heard a couple of interesting tidbits as to why the film is Reggie's, perhaps I heard it here first I cant remember. I had heard that Reggie was the lead basically because he is what we call Financial Core in the industry. Financial Core is when you opt out of certain Screen Actor's Guild benefits in order to act in both union and non-union films. I believe Reggie is the only cast member who is financial core. When they were doing the webseries it sounds like it started as a non-SAG project, which makes sense because SAG is expensive and they're a nightmare to deal with. With that said the film most likely had to become SAG once it became a feature.
Here's another question about this bizarre production. In the EW article Don mentions that they had spent most of 2012 and 2013 shooting the bulk of the film. Do you think there were stretches where they filmed for say three week to a month consecutively or was the entire film shot on weekends? I wonder.
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Post by DT_LordofDeath on Sept 15, 2015 12:21:46 GMT -5
Speculation of the release date aside, Don affirmed at the ScareFest panel that several, significant announcements (perchance a new box set) would be forthcoming "shortly."
He also suggested to me that Reggie's landmark quest of just trying to get some a** whilst the world marches implacably toward oblivion (no pun intended) would be represented. My dialogue with the cast gave me the feeling that they're really, really into their work which assuages much of my concerns related to the delays. While I understand the frustration that many people feel (as I've felt it before), I'm just glad that we're getting the movie. Of all the horror franchises, it's amongst few that haven't sold out.
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Post by DustinM on Sept 15, 2015 13:43:02 GMT -5
I really hope they don't blow it as Mike is the heart of the series. I agree with you wholeheartedly, but I firmly believe that Don would not. His actions in recent decades have shown a strong affinity for Reggie. He refocused on Mike for Oblivion and that did not equal dollars. Don pushed hardest for years and years on Avary's script, which was essentially the Reggie show and eventually dropped Mike altogether, but that wasn't made despite his efforts. Mike was at the center of Romano's P5, but Don ultimately decided not to push ahead with that script. Then we have the Reggie's Tales web series and now a Reggie-centric P5. And Reggie is wonderful, both the character and the man, but Phantasm is Mike's story. Or rather, was. Do you think there were stretches where they filmed for say three week to a month consecutively or was the entire film shot on weekends? I wonder. I don't think they filmed in huge chunks on account of David Hartman having a full time job as animation director. That guy is a professional, very good at what he does and, apparently, super busy at it.
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Post by phanboy on Sept 16, 2015 11:11:21 GMT -5
To Me Mike is the Heart, but Reggie is the Hero.
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Post by krakenslayer on Sept 16, 2015 12:52:18 GMT -5
In fairness, though, Oblivion very strongly foreshadowed exactly this sort of dynamic, with Mike out of the game (more or less) and Reggie soldiering on through the spacegate, carrying on the eternal fight. So it feels like a natural continuation at least. Plus, thankfully Mike does still seem to have a somewhat important role in this one, unlike the Avery script where he gets two scenes (IIRC): a cameo and a corpse.
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