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Post by mazzbot on Oct 1, 2015 14:55:13 GMT -5
So we all know that they were keeping it hush hush about making this movie. Filming began in late 2008. Then surprise fans, here's the teaser to the finished film in March 2014. Now still nothing and apparent delay till 2016. Several questions..
Why are they barely communicating with the fans? Just vague information. What could of happened to cause such a long delay after 3/14? What is really going on here with pulling the extended trailer constantly instead of letting us enjoy it? Why didn't they actually go with Kickstarter? It actually could of helped!
Like most I am frustrated and will watch it when released but the thrill is dead for me. It's 2015 and independent films get distributed all the time and this makes no sense at all. Don and David really need to take the time to address this to the fans so we know what to truly expect.
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Post by hellnback on Oct 22, 2015 3:49:54 GMT -5
Most people are saying that Coscarelli caught the convention bug and is milking this out as long as he can. Saying that if you notice those of us on the outside are not getting any new info. but those that pay to see him and the stars of Phantasm are getting info at the conventions only. Therefore if you want to get new info on Ravager you must pay up to get it at the cons. Of course you can wait it out for fans that were at the cons to post the info online.
The extended trailer was made for paying convention goers. Therefore it was exclusive to them and not to the rest of us that didn't pay for it.
Kickstarter is not the way Coscarelli does things. He either depends on dad's money, his own money, or a studio to back it up. He might be too proud to ask for hand outs.
I wouldn't be surprised that there is already a distributor, they are just not saying a word. Months ago, Reggie basically said they were close to getting one. By now they should have gotten one.
the thrill of this movie is dead for me as well. I will see it but I'm no longer excited like I was. There's a part of me that actually no longer cares whether this movie comes out or not. I'm satisfied with Oblivion's ending.
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Post by bunsen5x on Oct 22, 2015 12:49:14 GMT -5
I have to say that whatever caused the delay bungled the PR roll out. If they knew it was going to take another year perhaps now would have been the time to announce. There's a difference between keeping them wanting more and keeping them in the dark until they don't care. With that said my concern about the delay is the nature of the whole project. Shooting it on a micro budget on weekends only for the past 7 years doesn't give me a whole lot of hope. It worked for the original but we all know how difficult it is to capture lightning in a bottle twice.
Is anyone else worried that the delay is because they team bit off more than they could chew this time and the film sucks? I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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Post by diavolo on Oct 22, 2015 13:41:51 GMT -5
Is anyone else worried that the delay is because they team bit off more than they could chew this time and the film sucks? I guess we'll just have to wait and see. They're trying to make an action film- a decent action film- on a non-budget, which is not a very smart or practical thing to do. I'm of the (unusual?) opinion that the trailer actually looks alright, but they've basically doomed themselves to languish in post-production effects hell by the very nature of the movie. Ravager doesn't need tons of action. It's like they're trying to cram every suggestion made about a Phantasm 5 into the film, even the bad ones. A film more like P4 or P1 would have been fine and probably a more fitting end to the franchise.
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Post by xscrimshotx on Oct 22, 2015 15:28:38 GMT -5
Ravager was actually an elaborate April Fool's prank, which is going to be announced this coming April in '16. The only existing footage is in that first trailer, that "teaser" Coscarelli and Hartman gave us last Christmas, and that exclusive convention footage. There, I let the cat out of the bag. Coscarelli, with the assistance of Hartman, pulled off one of the biggest trolls in internet history.
Just kidding.
As a phan like others, my excitement for this died down a lot. I'll see Ravager if/when it comes out, and I hate to sound pessimistic, but no one should be holding their breath to see it. Do what I'm doing and put your anticipation into something that has a concrete release date. New X-Files coming in January!
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Post by scrd15 on Oct 22, 2015 16:14:19 GMT -5
Perhaps he realized that the fan base isn't exactly big enough to bring in enough revenue to the film when he did release it, but honestly with all the stupid procrastinating and all the delays all I have to say is, Who gives a fvck anymore. It might be one of those films which never gets released and remains in Limbo for ages.
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Post by bladerunner7 on Oct 22, 2015 19:05:37 GMT -5
Folks...I have been posting a while on the boards, first of all they are trying to make the best movie possible, and that, without a board member here to open up his checkbook is just gonna take time, the love in this project is great...Yes I know we all want it sooner than later....but I go on record now, remember this, this is gonna be the biggest, the best and baddest of them all, including 1..that is from multiple sources who are working on the project( past and present). so, all of you guys are gonna be saying it was worth it....2016 is the year..for all of us
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Post by phanboy on Oct 23, 2015 9:15:04 GMT -5
Most people are saying that Coscarelli caught the convention bug and is milking this out as long as he can. Saying that if you notice those of us on the outside are not getting any new info. but those that pay to see him and the stars of Phantasm are getting info at the conventions only. Therefore if you want to get new info on Ravager you must pay up to get it at the cons. Of course you can wait it out for fans that were at the cons to post the info online. The extended trailer was made for paying convention goers. Therefore it was exclusive to them and not to the rest of us that didn't pay for it. Kickstarter is not the way Coscarelli does things. He either depends on dad's money, his own money, or a studio to back it up. He might be too proud to ask for hand outs. I wouldn't be surprised that there is already a distributor, they are just not saying a word. Months ago, Reggie basically said they were close to getting one. By now they should have gotten one. the thrill of this movie is dead for me as well. I will see it but I'm no longer excited like I was. There's a part of me that actually no longer cares whether this movie comes out or not. I'm satisfied with Oblivion's ending. Kickstarter strikes some people as unprofessional. lots of people give their children encouragement but Dac Coscarelli always put his money where his mouth is. Phantasm is a family and friends project.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 16:12:08 GMT -5
Folks...I have been posting a while on the boards, first of all they are trying to make the best movie possible, and that, without a board member here to open up his checkbook is just gonna take time, the love in this project is great...Yes I know we all want it sooner than later....but I go on record now, remember this, this is gonna be the biggest, the best and baddest of them all, including 1..that is from multiple sources who are working on the project( past and present). so, all of you guys are gonna be saying it was worth it....2016 is the year..for all of us nah. to my mind, the bungled, protracted roll-out says so much about P5 already. and better than the original? no. impossible to capture lighting in a bottle twice. subjective, of course, but 99.9% of these late in the day "let's do it again!" / prove-we've-still-got-it follow-ups/resurrections have never worked for me. i'll be watching, though i have a substantial number of qualms, including how the project was conceived and who's (supposedly) in the director's chair. add my disinterest in modern genre film and (yes...) that old bug about CGI and i'm going to be way too hard to please. i love PHANTASM (well, 1, 3&4), and don't believe a new one is necessary. (yeah, OK, it's been said before, but what hasn't after two years?)
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Post by bladerunner7 on Oct 26, 2015 18:11:56 GMT -5
Folks...I have been posting a while on the boards, first of all they are trying to make the best movie possible, and that, without a board member here to open up his checkbook is just gonna take time, the love in this project is great...Yes I know we all want it sooner than later....but I go on record now, remember this, this is gonna be the biggest, the best and baddest of them all, including 1..that is from multiple sources who are working on the project( past and present). so, all of you guys are gonna be saying it was worth it....2016 is the year..for all of us nah. to my mind, the bungled, protracted roll-out says so much about P5 already. and better than the original? no. impossible to capture lighting in a bottle twice. subjective, of course, but 99.9% of these late in the day "let's do it again!" / prove-we've-still-got-it follow-ups/resurrections have never worked for me. i'll be watching, though i have a substantial number of qualms, including how the project was conceived and who's (supposedly) in the director's chair. add my disinterest in modern genre film and (yes...) that old bug about CGI and i'm going to be way too hard to please. i love PHANTASM (well, 1, 3&4), and don't believe a new one is necessary. (yeah, OK, it's been said before, but what hasn't after two years?) I would have the same opinion but for my conversations...I know they are trying...they know its their last shot...could be the longest of the 5 run time....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2015 11:22:35 GMT -5
Is anyone else worried that the delay is because they team bit off more than they could chew this time and the film sucks? I guess we'll just have to wait and see. They're trying to make an action film- a decent action film- on a non-budget, which is not a very smart or practical thing to do. I'm of the (unusual?) opinion that the trailer actually looks alright, but they've basically doomed themselves to languish in post-production effects hell by the very nature of the movie. Ravager doesn't need tons of action. It's like they're trying to cram every suggestion made about a Phantasm 5 into the film, even the bad ones. A film more like P4 or P1 would have been fine and probably a more fitting end to the franchise. thank you.
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Post by krakenslayer on Nov 4, 2015 7:54:48 GMT -5
I wonder if rights are part of the issue. I know Coscarelli retains the sequel rights to the series, but if they really are using all these ideas from the Avary and Romano scripts without the involvement of, or full credit/remittance to, the men themselves, then I could well imagine there might be some legal issues snagging the film's release.
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Post by DustinM on Nov 5, 2015 9:39:58 GMT -5
I wonder if rights are part of the issue. I know Coscarelli retains the sequel rights to the series, but if they really are using all these ideas from the Avary and Romano scripts without the involvement of, or full credit/remittance to, the men themselves, then I could well imagine there might be some legal issues snagging the film's release. It's not any of that, but this wasn't a bad theory. Coscarelli owns those scripts and the concepts within them. We're not going to see Romano or Avary getting any screen credit, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them get a "Special Thanks" mention.
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Post by krakenslayer on Nov 5, 2015 12:11:35 GMT -5
My assumption, then, would be that Coscarelli is simply not completely happy with the result and won't let it out of his sight until he's satisfied, and is now stuck in a perfectionist cycle of tweaking, discarding, maybe even re-shooting bits of it, with no definite endpoint. Sort of like Axl Rose on Chinese Democracy.
However, that doesn't quite match up with the fact that it's being screened at the American Film Market soon, which means it's finished or near enough. Perhaps the above scenario has already played out and is now over, but that doesn't seem to fit with Hartman's continued good-natured involvement until quite recently (two teaser videos in 2014/2015), as you'd expect some animosity, or at least distance, if he was being pushed away as "not good enough".
The other possibility is that another "colourful character" on the crew is causing problems, but I don't see how that could be.
It's a real head-scratcher.
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Post by krakenslayer on Nov 11, 2015 18:32:08 GMT -5
So American Film Market is finished. I wonder if anything will come of it, distribution wise.
The movie is still listed as being in post-production on the AFM website, with an expected completion year of 2016. So were they actually SHOWING a rough cut of the movie at the market, or just pitching the trailers and concept?
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Post by krakenslayer on Nov 15, 2015 11:34:54 GMT -5
User Pat64 over on the IMDB forums is claiming to have seen a new trailer at AFM ("looks like a blast, really") and reports (presumably via Coscarelli) that they are currently aiming for an April or May 2016 release, and that a limited theatrical release could happen, depending on the details of the distribution deal.
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Post by xscrimshotx on Nov 16, 2015 7:46:55 GMT -5
User Pat64 over on the IMDB forums is claiming to have seen a new trailer at AFM ("looks like a blast, really") and reports (presumably via Coscarelli) that they are currently aiming for an April or May 2016 release, and that a limited theatrical release could happen, depending on the details of the distribution deal. Man, I like your ability to sniff out info like this, krakenslayer. Thanks for this. April or May, huh? What the hell...what's another half year, right?
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Post by vitaman2007 on Nov 17, 2015 12:26:23 GMT -5
Haven't seen the leaked trailer yet. Saw a review of the audio of the trailer (which showed seconds of the movie), and it looks really good. (especially the parallel universe discussion stuff)
Maybe they are shooting various different endings for the blu ray release, so you can pick and choose certain endings. Or choose a more action version of the movie vs. a "heady" version (like P1).
I don't mind waiting. And the music sounds excellent too.
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Post by fantasyball on Nov 21, 2015 7:53:14 GMT -5
Half a year left, I take comfort in that! Nice leak! (no matter if it's true or not )
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Post by bladerunner7 on Nov 21, 2015 15:36:28 GMT -5
my understanding is they are gonna tweak it up to the last second and again...this is gonna be the biggest and baddest of them all, sure it has taken a long time...Hartman's other projects etc...but still its gonna worth it...this is gonna be resolved...this is their last shot...they Know...
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