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Post by phantasmal on Oct 30, 2016 3:58:31 GMT -5
Sounds to me like you're backing out of an argument you can't win. As far as the budget is concerned, Mr. Scorcese, my point was that Coscarelli could clearly afford to pay some kid living in his mother's basement $50 or $100 to create special effects that would blow away the crap we saw. That's a bit of hyperbole, lest you start whining about my lack of understanding of budgets again. But again, he could have bought an old 8mm film camera for $50 at a secondhand store and some old film and done better. My point is that you're making excuses for him. Bottom line, people have created better special effects for free - fan stuff - on youtube. Coscarelli could have spend a couple hundred dollars to have better work done. I'm certain he could have afforded it.
But we do agree on something - the ultimate futility of this discussion. You seem to want to make excuses for that disaster of a franchise-closing film while I call it like it is. And we'll never see eye to eye on that, so there's not much left to say.
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Post by garmonbozia on Oct 30, 2016 20:19:11 GMT -5
Subjective opinions aren't a contest to be won. That's an infantile viewpoint. But some people can back up their opinions and some can't. Yeah, you got hyperbole, no one is arguing that. Just not much else. Again, you just repeat yourself here. Because you have no argument. You generalize about effects budgets and filmmaking because that's all you can do. You don't actually know what you're talking about. You said it: hyperbole.
Bottom line, your histrionics were nonsense the first time you posted them and they're still nonsense. Your ego is obviously fragile that you act so threatened by someone disagreeing with you about a movie. Ravager has its flaws but it also has its virtues. Maybe it takes someone with a bit more imagination and intuition than you possess to appreciate that. That’s your loss.
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Post by phantasmal on Oct 31, 2016 3:10:34 GMT -5
Has nothing to do with ego. The film sucked. You don't agree. You're wrong. Sorry you feel the need to defend a horribly done movie. I don't.
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Post by garmonbozia on Oct 31, 2016 6:10:47 GMT -5
Your ego is the exact reason you clearly feel the need to have the last word even though you have nothing to say. The film was a lot of fun. Maybe watch something more your speed next time. Something where everything is explained to you slowly and your hand is gently held.
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Post by vivalabeck on Oct 31, 2016 10:12:51 GMT -5
I'm all for a healthy debate, but y'all are kinda taking the fun out of it. It really is just a movie. No need to take someone else's opinion personally. Fact is, I can agree with both of you on certain points. There is much to be disappointed by in the film, depending on your expectations. But, this is what we got. Take it or leave it. I still think Oblivion is a satisfying end to the series, and nothing about Ravager takes away from that, because we can ignore it if we choose to. Still, at least we got one last adventure with the cast, and that's better than nothing, as far as I'm concerned. Play nice guys.
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Post by fantasyball on Nov 1, 2016 13:54:46 GMT -5
At least, now with Ravager, we all know we didn't miss anything spectacular.
At the end of the day P1 is the good movie, the rest of them are just scenes, scenes, scenes ending up to no more than we had at the end of the first film. To me the "solution"/secret in Phantasm is that Tally can murder with help of looking like a hot woman. It is scary, a good horror movie. The rest of the movies are not scary/good horror. But fun to watch. The sequels are more of fan movies made by themselves, tributes to the original.
I'm not happy with P4 ending, so for me it couldn't be better with just more nonsense in P5. And I like Phantasm scenes and am happy with more in Ravager. And P1 is still the *thing* with Phantasm.
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Post by bartholomew on Nov 1, 2016 16:51:28 GMT -5
One thing we can all agree on whether you liked the movie or not, it was great to see Angus one last time as the Tall Man before he left us. The entire cast was great and Angus gave it his all in this last sequel. I wasn't going to buy the blu-ray but the extras seem very cool.
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Post by phantasmal on Nov 2, 2016 4:07:39 GMT -5
I'll just ignore Garmonbozo's ramblings because he just doesn't get it and is putting words in my mouth. Reading comprehension issues and all that.
But yeah, I agree with those saying it works to just ignore Ravager. Phantasm IV gave us an ending that has several cool interpretations and fit the series perfectly. The fact that Phantasm IV had so much unused material from the original film inserted into the movie made it a perfect way to close the franchise. That's another thing Ravager failed to do - incorporate earlier material. There's enough filmed that it could have been used.
It's easy for me to disregard Ravager as not being a true Phantasm film because of all the issues, especially with Coscarelli not directing it. There are so many differences between Ravager and the earlier films that I don't even feel bad about not including Ravager as part of the bigger saga. Still disappointed that it could have been so much better because it was our last chance for a Phantasm film.
I watched Phantasm I-IV back to back for Halloween, and they hold up perfectly. I'm satisfied with it and it's my favorite franchise ever. If anything, I seemed to find myself liking each of the original four films even more (if that's even possible) after having gone through the nightmare of Ravager.
And like I said, it was still cool to be seeing the original cast giving it their all and providing us with one final ass kicking performance. So there's pleasure to be found even in a disaster.
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Post by vivalabeck on Nov 2, 2016 11:25:29 GMT -5
For me, Jebediah's death bed scene and the Lady in Lavender scene made it worth it. I wish those had been a part of Oblivion, because Reggie didn't really have much to do in that one. The stuff with Jennifer and the demon trooper wasn't really enough for me, which was the main reason I wanted a part V.
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Post by garmonbozia on Nov 2, 2016 13:21:45 GMT -5
I'll just ignore Garmonbozo's ramblings because he just doesn't get it and is putting words in my mouth. Reading comprehension issues and all that. Ignorance is about the only thing you're capable of. If I had put words in your mouth it would've been an improvement on the "slop crap slop" coming out of it. Critical thinking/communication issues and all that. Can't wait for the blu-ray, which you've already admitted you'll buy even though you consider the film a disaster. Guess in the end, Coscarelli and Hartman got your money twice so great job there! Regardless of your weak opinion, it'll be fun to be able to watch all five films back to back for my annual Phantasmathon next Halloween. So glad we got one last fun adventure with the phamily.
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Post by phantasmal on Nov 3, 2016 3:28:36 GMT -5
Garmonbozo, your mouth is still moving and still nothing intelligent is coming out. Are you Coscarelli's paid shill, or just a sad moron? I'm banking on the latter.
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Post by garmonbozia on Nov 3, 2016 6:09:26 GMT -5
Ha You're projecting again my sad little loudmouth showpony.
And Now you think Coscarelli and Hartman have the cash to pay people to say positive things about their no-budget film. I guess living in mom's basement it's understandable you don't know how money works.
Get back with me when you graduate from remedial reading class.
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Post by bartholomew on Nov 3, 2016 16:11:53 GMT -5
garmonbozia, don't let people get to you. I'd hate to see this forum turn into FB. I always enjoyed coming to this forum because people shared their opinions without bashing or name calling. Seriously, I'm too old for that crap. The few things I wish they had in Ravager were hertzes, graveyard scenes and more mausoleum scenes. That's what Phantasm was always about to me, the Tallman, funeral homes, coffins and hertzes. They didn't have any of that.
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Post by phantasmal on Nov 5, 2016 5:54:27 GMT -5
LMAO!
Looks like my criticism of your crappy film really got under your skin, Garmonbozia. You just won't let it go, will you? Gotta keep your mouth flapping. I do think it's strange that you've gotten such a hard-on for me that you're compelled to keep the insults coming, as if I care what you think. Maybe you should lay off the viagra, huh? It's an internet forum, you moron. Good lord. But please, feel free to keep hurling impotent insults at me. It doesn't bother me at all, and it certainly won't make Ravager any better. Bottom line, the film sucked. Bottom line, you're making excuses for it. But please, feel free to keep talking about the film as if it were Gone With The Wind. I can always enjoy a good laugh at someone else's expense. Yours, particularly.
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Post by garmonbozia on Nov 5, 2016 20:33:50 GMT -5
It's not my film so your criticism doesn't effect me (Oh were you serious about your conspiracy theory that I'm being paid to like the movie? I thought that was just a childish insult?) More than the substance of your criticism (or the complete lack thereof), what I find hilarious is your determined compulsion to direct your repetitive whining at each and every person on this board who enjoys the film. It's almost as if your fragile little ego just cannot accept that others will not recognize your lame viewpoint as fact. But they won't. Yell and flail your arms as hard as you might, it still won't stop people from enjoying whatever they want. That must be hard for you.
Your criticism of the movie is well documented on this board, if not well articulated. I think everyone gets the gist. Yet still you cry. And still you cry. So when you say I can't let it go, it again looks like projection on your part. I think others on this board have backed up their legitimate grievances pretty well without resorting to histrionics. So maybe take a page? Or you could continue to make a fool of yourself. That's what I'm betting on unfortunately. Some people didn't enjoy the film. Some people did. Some people can articulate their viewpoint clearly, and some people are forced to resort to combative nonsense when the primacy of their petty ego is threatened.
Your opinion is not fact. I know that is hard to accept for someone of your limited intellectual stature but there it is. I will indeed continue to feel free to talk about whatever I like, however I like, as I always have. Kudos
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Post by phantasmal on Nov 6, 2016 2:59:31 GMT -5
You're STILL babbling on, Garmonbozia? Like I said, your mouth keeps moving and the verbal diarrhea just keeps flowing out. You're not even making any sense. You claim I'm posting "repetitive whining at each and every person on this board who enjoys the film", and yet YOU are the only person arguing with me. And the ONLY person engaging in (silly) personal attacks. Must be sad to live in some alternate reality that exists only in your addled mind. Maybe that's why you liked Ravager so much! You can't let it go, now can you? Weren't you the one who spoke about me wanting to get the last word? Looks like you were describing yourself. Hmmm...a projector accusing me of projecting! Face it. You're obsessed with me. And not in a healthy way. But at this point I'm not even paying much attention to anything you say. I just glance over your posts and laugh at you making an ass of yourself for all of us to watch. But please don't stop on my account. I'll give you this much - your sad attempts at attacking me are at least somewhat more entertaining than Ravager was. Same low quality product, but at least a bit more humorous. So go ahead brave warrior defender of Ravager. Babble on! I can use more laughs and low quality entertainment to distract me from all this election stress. My name is Garmonbozia, blah, blah, blah...
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Post by garmonbozia on Nov 6, 2016 4:21:36 GMT -5
repetitive verbal diarrhea blah, blah, blah...
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Post by phantasmal on Nov 6, 2016 4:47:16 GMT -5
You gotta get that last word in, but you're too lazy to even add your own words? Oh man, you are something else! LMAO! What a nut!
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