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Post by gopher in heat on Jun 14, 2008 11:38:08 GMT -5
Has the Tall Man always had the same abilities, or do you think he's gained power since he started (or Phantasm 1)?
Notice in the scene where Tim tells Reggie about his father's funeral... Unlike in P1 when the Tall Man physically lifts the coffin from the grave and puts it into the hearse, here we see the Tall Man using what seems to be some sort of psychic/telekinetic power to move the coffin to the hearse.
Is this a sign that the Tall Man is growing in power? Or has he always been able to do things like this?
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Post by postmortem on Jun 14, 2008 12:55:20 GMT -5
Say, that's a very good question. It does seem that the Tall Man has changed from being more physical (on Mike's heels chases, tossing coffins into hearses, smashing through windows) to being more mental (levitating Mike and caskets). My gut instinct is that the Tall Man has always been able to do both. But that there is less... rage... in him as he grows in his respect towards Mike. Less anger means more... care... in handling victims. At least, that's my take on things. Practically, I think characters--and their abiltiies--grow with sequels. People contribute "what if" ideas, alternate interpretations. Ideas grow, and thus the characters grow.
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Post by spherical on Jun 14, 2008 19:38:28 GMT -5
No, Gopher, I don't think so. I just guess he - being the great strategist he is - like to reveal his TRUE powers from time to time, only if and when required. After all, he's calculating, cold... geez, he's even PART machine, so figure it out.
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Post by 4barrelhemi on Jun 15, 2008 4:32:21 GMT -5
Cool I never even thought of any of that at all. Could possibly be!
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Post by Hellbound on Sept 29, 2008 18:27:25 GMT -5
He seems to have all the same powers for the most part. Super strength, telekinesis, regeneration, mutating his limbs into monstrous creatures, and possibly placing illusions in the minds of his victims. He makes heavier use of telekinesis in III, though. One ability he might have gained is summoning dimensional gates at will. He never did that in the first two, they were always seen in the white room.
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Post by cryptkeeper2529 on Sept 29, 2008 18:49:37 GMT -5
I don't think he "gains" power, I just think Angus Scrimm isn't 50 anymore so he can't run and be a physical as he was in the first though. Phantasm II though I think had a perfect portrayal of him as there was a greay portrayal of him doing both telekenetic things as well as "hands-on" things (ie grabbing Liz through the window). I did notice though that in Phantasm III he did use a crap load of psychic whatever which, although undoubtedly part of his many skills, just seemed kinda weird, and harder to defeat because of it.
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Post by OblivionGoon on Oct 23, 2008 7:28:10 GMT -5
The Tall Man's powers and Mike's powers start to parrallel themselves in P2. From then on it's just an evolution. It is no different than when we learn something and become better at it with time. In P1 The Tall Man's powers are still very infantile, hence the more physical aspect. But as we move 10 years down the road in P2, he is communicating with Mike via psychic means. Then on to P3 where he evolves even more and then to P4 where his powers are at their peak.
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Post by cryptkeeper2529 on Mar 4, 2009 14:09:50 GMT -5
The Tall Man's powers and Mike's powers start to parrallel themselves in P2. From then on it's just an evolution. It is no different than when we learn something and become better at it with time. In P1 The Tall Man's powers are still very infantile, hence the more physical aspect. But as we move 10 years down the road in P2, he is communicating with Mike via psychic means. Then on to P3 where he evolves even more and then to P4 where his powers are at their peak. Interesting perception. But if I may, the telekenisis between The Mall Man and Mike I don't see as a product of "evolution" of powers; in Phantasm 1 Mike was just a boy and The Tall man had full intent on killing him. I believe that it's because he survived Phantasm 1 and escaped him, The Tall Man decided to "keep in touch" as he went on to other things. Thus, the telekenisis in Phantasm II. He still wanted to kill him but did not go out of his way, enjoying the chase of sorts. When Mike, Reggie, and liz not only prevale once more, but defeat The Tall Man, he saw the potential in Mike and thus the desire to capture he. Liz's head he takes, and Reggie he always just kind of ignores. In Phantasm III, I personally the telekenisis is because Angus is getting older and isn't as physical. One could say his power grows with the more corpses he gathers (which would actually make sense, and make for a pretty cool Phantasm 5 climax with The Tall man being reduced to a shell of himself). Also, in Phantasm 1 being a stand alone flick, we are to presume that The Tall man has always been at morningside, and this is heavily implied with the 1800's photo, and eventhough he is supernatural, the physicality shows more human aspects that in a weird way go totally with this.
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Post by The Never Dead on Mar 14, 2009 10:20:21 GMT -5
I think he's had them all along. Tally is full of surprises. I agree about how more powers were added as the series progressed due to Angus' age(no disrespect at all intended because I love Angus) because as he got older, he couldn't be as physical as he was in the first few films.
That walk though...it will always be intimidating.
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Post by krakenslayer on Mar 14, 2009 19:21:01 GMT -5
I don't think he's gained power, he's just gone from dealing with Mike and co. as a minor nuisance early in Phantasm 1, to facing off against them in the cosmic struggle of P3 and 4.
The way in which I was able to maintain suspension of disbelief over the progressively older appearance of a presumably immortal being over just a few years was to assume that each time he was "killed" and had to regenerate, the Jebediah Morningside body was aged and slightly weakened by the experience, hence his increasing focus from part 2/3 onwards towards "recruiting" Mike either as a replacement or as a new host for Tally's "true" form.
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