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Post by Red Planet Minion on Jan 16, 2008 0:03:52 GMT -5
During the scene when Mike and Jody is talking in Wilshire Blvd, Jody tells Mike they need to leave because there is a Risk Of Infection, What is Jody talking about?, Could there be a chance that he could be talking about the Bag Plague that was in the Phantasm's End script? It would be neat if Don did include things from Phantasms End, And it would be cool if we could see the Bag Plague in P5.
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Post by DustinM on Jan 16, 2008 0:35:06 GMT -5
Bingo. It's a direct reference to P' End. I'm told by various people that certain scenes in Oblivion are taken or roughly based on scenes from a draft of End. Wouldn't mind seeing P5 reference End a little bit simply because the project, while ill-fated, is still a part of the series in some small but significant way.
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Post by 4barrelhemi on Jan 27, 2008 4:54:31 GMT -5
Good catch ! I figured it had something to do with a plague at the time though I had no idea what Jody was talking about.
Just assumed the Tall Man had wiped everyone out.
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Post by nitelinger on Mar 11, 2008 23:02:07 GMT -5
That is WAY cool Postmortem! Thanks!!!....keep those storys coming...
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Post by OblivionGoon on Apr 23, 2008 23:48:33 GMT -5
I was never quite able to put my head around it, but it makes sense now. How did the idea of a plague get into Phantasm? Is it one of those things where it is mostly a domino effect? The TM has allowed things to get so bad that a disease is breaking out? Or is it caused by some parasite that the dwarfs carry with them from the Red Planet?
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Post by onlyAdream on Apr 27, 2008 21:59:16 GMT -5
I remember what a tough shot this was because we were by an alley and cars kept coming down the drive, directly into the shot (the futuristic LA isn't supposed to have people). Don filmed it over and over again... That's LA for you... there's always people out, no matter what time of day. Thankfully, it's not as busy busy as New York, but still, there's a lot of people here!
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Post by TheIceCreamMan on Jun 8, 2008 18:53:15 GMT -5
I remember what a tough shot this was because we were by an alley and cars kept coming down the drive, directly into the shot (the futuristic LA isn't supposed to have people). Don filmed it over and over again... That's LA for you... there's always people out, no matter what time of day. Thankfully, it's not as busy busy as New York, but still, there's a lot of people here! Thats LA for ya...people are always in such a rush there..even after the big plague! LOL
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Post by nightflier51 on Jul 7, 2008 0:57:41 GMT -5
In Christopher Lees last Count Dracula film,' The Satanic Rites of Dracula" by Hammer Films there is a plan for a lab grown plague to wipe out the race of humans, a plan and wish of Dracula to end it all. Could this be a similar situation that the tall man has? If you have seen the hammer Dracula series, you see a similar character as the tall man. Some of the phantasm scores are ver similar to the composer James Bernard of the famed Hammer film series.
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Post by 4barrelhemi on Jul 7, 2008 5:52:10 GMT -5
If the Tall Man is indeed an Alien then I doubt wiping out all the humans would really stop him. He'd just go find another world to start over in.
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Post by OblivionGoon on Jul 8, 2008 1:22:53 GMT -5
Kind of like an episode of The Twilight Zone. It's the one where the aliens come down and put Earth at a peaceful state and help us with crops and such, essentially turning it into a utopia. Then we realize that they are harvesting us, so of course they want us to have food and not kill each other. Or like one of the theories in "Signs." They might be coming to earth to use our natural resources because they exhausted all of theirs on the home planet. Perhaps The Tall Man is out of soldiers on his own planet so he has to harvest us, and chances are he may be harvesting multiple solar systems at the same time. We know that he can come back from just about everything so why wouldn't he have a doppelganger on another planet doing the harvesting?
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Post by Hellbound on Sept 29, 2008 19:08:30 GMT -5
It must be a pretty bad plague if it can affect Mike and Jody, considering their current state.
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Post by OblivionGoon on Nov 10, 2008 13:32:51 GMT -5
It must be a pretty bad plague if it can affect Mike and Jody, considering their current state. It's one of the few things about Oblivion that really bugs me. In the previous 3 installments, there is no mention of a plague, illness, disease, etc. It becomes even more odd due to the time of it's introduction. The Wilshire Blvd. scene is very futuristic/apocalyptic, it's far out. When you view that scene you usally assume that the lack of population is due to The Tall Man's harvesting. But when Jody mentions the infection, it throws you for a loop, which may be it's intention. I understand that the series is all about introducing questions without answers, but this is more like an effect without a cause.
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Post by gopher in heat on Nov 10, 2008 16:10:58 GMT -5
Ah, I have a post started on my computer at home that deals with issues such as this. I'll finish it up and post it when I get home tonight.
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Post by OblivionGoon on Nov 11, 2008 15:43:06 GMT -5
The idea of a plague of some sort would have digested better had Jody given some sort of cause. The number one thing that sticks out in my mind would be inter-dimensional germ/bacteria outbreak. The dwarfs have that slimey substance on them, I'm assuming that they are "warm" so there would have to be bacteria all over the things. This might also help speed up The Tall Man's work. If people are dying left and right from some plague, it's easier for him, and he can do his business on the slide. If people are dying for a legit reason, there's no speculation. In P3, the gas station attendant talks about a toxic spill. There is another possible cause. Perhaps the fluids that The Tall Man uses to shrink people down into dwarfs is super toxic.
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Post by phanboy on Jun 14, 2014 16:46:37 GMT -5
The idea of a plague of some sort would have digested better had Jody given some sort of cause. The number one thing that sticks out in my mind would be inter-dimensional germ/bacteria outbreak. The dwarfs have that slimey substance on them, I'm assuming that they are "warm" so there would have to be bacteria all over the things. This might also help speed up The Tall Man's work. If people are dying left and right from some plague, it's easier for him, and he can do his business on the slide. If people are dying for a legit reason, there's no speculation. In P3, the gas station attendant talks about a toxic spill. There is another possible cause. Perhaps the fluids that The Tall Man uses to shrink people down into dwarfs is super toxic. I think that if a plague were to take place most governments would destroy the bodies. and people seeing the gravers with gas masks could have started the rumors of the toxic spills.
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Post by krakenslayer on Jun 15, 2014 15:16:11 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure this is just foreshadowing. IIRC, Oblivion was produced at a time when Don Coscarelli and Roger Avary were trying to get Phantasm's End/Phantasm 2000 off the ground, partly as a low budget way to keep interest in the series going to help Avary's script get picked up, partly to tie up the series into some semblance of a finale in case it didn't.
As Dustin said, the "bag head plague" is a major plot element in Phantasm's End, having wiped out most of the US, leaving only the Eastern Seaboard cities and a few pockets of resistance on the West Coast under the control of the US government. The "plague zone", as it is called, is basically the Tall Man's domain, where he is free to operate without interference from the authorities. The scene in Phantasm IV with the deserted streets is intended as a preview of the world as it will be/would have been by the time of Phantasm's End; the desolation of the small towns of PII and PIII scaled up to metropolises.
Within PIV, the "risk of infection" line was left as a small, open-ended comment, deliberately posed and never elaborated on in order to make the audience wonder. To have explained further would, I think, have lessened the mysteriousness of it within PIV. The payoff to it was supposed to be in the next movie, but sadly it never happened.
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