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Post by frickerballs on Mar 3, 2008 12:19:22 GMT -5
As much as I like Phantasm OblIVion, I always thought the scene with Reg and Jody inside/outside the cuda came off a little to brash. You know with Reggie saying stuff like, " ...not you again" and "I'm done with that s**t" etc...Considering the way Part 3 ended, it still seemed like there was a likability and good re pore between the two. It just seemed to abrupt of a rejection at that point in the series between two former buddies who were "hot as love" not to long ago. What do you guys/gals think? Moderator's Note: Edited due to profanity. Harsh Words Indeed.
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Post by gopher in heat on Mar 3, 2008 13:45:33 GMT -5
I think Reg was just so confused about Jody and his intentions that he didn't want to deal with him. As far as he knew, Jody had been dead. Not to mention, pretty much everyone Reg encountered seemed to be a minion of the Tall Man. I think Reggie knew he couldn't trust Jody, and basically that's what it all boiled down to.
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Post by 4barrelhemi on Mar 3, 2008 14:44:47 GMT -5
I agree Gophe after all Reggie had seen and been through I can't blame him for not trusting his former buddy who had been dead for well over 10 years and suddenly comes back and in sphere form at that.
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Post by mirai on Mar 3, 2008 14:50:59 GMT -5
true
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Post by The Never Dead on Mar 3, 2008 16:58:02 GMT -5
I think Reg was just being cautious towards Jody since he knew what Jody was & that it wasn't the same Jody he used to rock out with.
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Post by mirai on Mar 3, 2008 16:59:26 GMT -5
good point
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Post by vitaman2007 on Mar 4, 2008 8:56:58 GMT -5
Considering the way Part 3 ended, it still seemed like there was a likability and good re pore between the two... Yeah I know what you mean. ;D Reggie at the end of P3 was like..."...hey, where you going?" And then P4..." ...get the hell away from me..." I mean, it was the same night. Reg was retrieving his convertable roof and all. Maybe he was just upset with the Cuda being destroyed.
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Post by briggs on Mar 4, 2008 19:15:41 GMT -5
Considering the way Part 3 ended, it still seemed like there was a likability and good re pore between the two... Yeah I know what you mean. ;D Reggie at the end of P3 was like..."...hey, where you going?" And then P4..." ...get the hell away from me..." I mean, it was the same night. Reg was retrieving his convertable roof and all. Maybe he was just upset with the Cuda being destroyed. Maybe he was upset because Jody let Mike run off without a word
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Post by bcg1969 on Mar 4, 2008 21:14:06 GMT -5
well Reg was left hanging at the end of part 3 so i figured he hit a emotional low as he has been through a lot.
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Post by hemidemi1 on Apr 10, 2008 12:51:48 GMT -5
Not to mention what that Zombie biyatch did to his paint job! Yeah I would be a bit t'd off hehee!!!
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Post by Hellbound on Oct 1, 2008 17:22:46 GMT -5
As much as I like Phantasm OblIVion, I always thought the scene with Reg and Jody inside/outside the cuda came off a little to brash. You know with Reggie saying stuff like, " ...not you again" and "I'm done with that s**t" etc...Considering the way Part 3 ended, it still seemed like there was a likability and good re pore between the two. It just seemed to abrupt of a rejection at that point in the series between two former buddies who were "hot as love" not to long ago. What do you guys/gals think? I felt it was out of character for him to act like that aswell. It was bad enough that Reggie seemed to dismiss Tim's death.
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Post by 4barrelhemi on Oct 2, 2008 8:13:07 GMT -5
Well there really wasn't anything he could do to help Tim at that point anyways.
I'm sure Reggie was a bit burnt out on things by this point. He's left hanging and almost killed and given some type of speech from the Tall Man that would play on anyone's mind. Plus his Cuda had been trashed and both his partners from P3 were gone.
I'd be a little edgy as well.
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Post by cryptkeeper2529 on Dec 21, 2008 0:54:48 GMT -5
The issue is that each Phantasm is written years after the last and the plot is made up as it goes along; Phantasm's End was going to be the first that didn't as IV was clearly a prelude but we know how that turned out.
As many have pointed out, Jody could have not been more good in Phantasm III. He guides Reggie along his journey. He attempts to keep Mike from the Tall Man. He helps Tim escape. He even makes it so he and Reggie save Mike from The Tall Man; what would eally be the point in that if he's trying to help get him captured again in Oblivion? And at the end of the movie they were clearly on good terms. Reggie being annoyed is one thing given the night he's had but immidiate aggression and immidiate suspicion by him and even Mike after Phantasm III, of thee was none, seems kinda random. Starting with the third movie the series has tended to retcon a lot, weather it be things like the presence of the quad shot gun or story lines (the "others" thing, Liz, and "I have plans for you" regarding Tim"). While continuity is made, like the aknowlagement of the "later in touch" line, it just seemed a bit brash for this to be so instant. It was clear Jody was written as Jody in Phantasm III and I'm not saying the idea of him basicly being an unconsious puppet was but, it was just poorly introduced. I talked about this in another post in Death Valley, forget which exactly though.
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Post by DustinM on Dec 21, 2008 1:35:46 GMT -5
Interesting you take that view. I, personally, question Jody in Phantasm III and doubt him in many scenes, largely on account of his sphere-form and consequently, being an operative of the Tall Man. Consider the scene where Mike is essentially dying and walking towards the light. Jody begs Mike to stay away from the light, but he continues walking towards it. Who finally stops Mike from going toward the light? The Tall Man. Jody and the Tall Man's interests are aligned in that scene. Jody may have just been a first line of defense effort on the Tall Man's part. Furthermore, when Mike trails through the cemetery at the ending with spheres for eyes, Jody non-nonchalantly follows him. Possibly preparing to groom his brother to be a new Tall Man on behalf of the Tall Man we already know. I believe that in Phantasm III, we're supposed to have doubts about Jody even though he comes through for Mike almost every time. It's part of the payoff in Phantasm: Oblivion when the opposite side of him comes out, the side that is loyal to the Tall Man. This is not to say that Jody is inherently evil. I believe his character is an ever-changing struggle between the force the Tall Man emits on him and what's left of his heart and love for his brother. But I find your opinion interesting. You play a good game, cryptkeeper2529. I must respectfully disagree. If you really look at the character of Jody in the original Phantasm, in the entirety of scenes filmed and in the context of the novel, he's kind of a jerk. Jody is a womanizing nomad who's ready to abandon his brother at the first sign of boredom (or worse, responsibility). He's likable, absolutely, but in a jerk sort of way. In Phantasm III, this is a new Jody. Made wise by the doubtless pain he's suffered these many years being away from Mike and subjected to the Tall Man, he strikes me as a broken individual. This is not the fun-loving Jody we saw in the original film. Not at all. I mean, the funny thing is - Jody is actually more faithful to Mike in P3 than he was in P1. He was prepping to skip town in P1 but in P3, Jody makes multiple efforts to stay with his brother. To suggest that the loyal, dedicated Jody of P3 was anything like the Jody of P1, man, I just disagree with that. I think because the P1 Jody is fun and Thornbury plays the character so well that we give the guy too much credit. The truer brother to Mike in Phantasm is Reggie. He's the surrogate big brother who supports and stays with Mike in ways that Jody was never able or willing to. Or was Jody even capable of the dedication Reggie offered Mike? Did he ever have the chance to be that person? Given that he was *taken* by the Tall Man? Was it fate? His destiny, perhaps? Ooooooh, it's way too late to be getting into this.
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Post by vitaman2007 on Dec 21, 2008 11:44:58 GMT -5
...Consider the scene where Mike is essentially dying and walking towards the light. Jody begs Mike to stay away from the light, but he continues walking towards it. Who finally stops Mike from going toward the light? The Tall Man. Jody and the Tall Man's interests are aligned in that scene. Jody may have just been a first line of defense effort on the Tall Man's part... ...I believe his character is an ever-changing struggle between the force the Tall Man emits on him and what's left of his heart and love for his brother... ...If you really look at the character of Jody in the original Phantasm, in the entirety of scenes filmed and in the context of the novel, he's kind of a jerk. Jody is a womanizing nomad who's ready to abandon his brother at the first sign of boredom (or worse, responsibility). He's likable, absolutely, but in a jerk sort of way. ...The truer brother to Mike in Phantasm is Reggie. He's the surrogate big brother who supports and stays with Mike in ways that Jody was never able or willing to... I always interpreted the "light" scene in a more obvious way....stay away from the Tall Man (light). That's an interesting twist. I also think Jody was internally battling with good and evil as well. I always viewed the last scene of "The Exorcist" that way too. Father Karras overcomes evil and throws himself out the window, thus sacrificing himself and protecting innocence. Jody ,too, also beats evil when he's lying there dying on the floor with yellow ooze coming out his neck and let's Mike know finally that...."I died in the car wreck." Helping Mike get piece of mind. As far as Jody being a jerk looking for women,being bored, and wanting to get the hell out of his uneventful small town and all, well, he was a musician ;D. I know I've been there. I think it's pretty normal for an older brother to be his own person and have other "important things"(like drink beer and play guitar and go to bars ;D) going on besides chaperoning his little brother 24/7. Reggie, a stand up guy all around, was sort of thrust into this surrogate role. It was obvious Mile still missed Jody at the end of P1, crying by the fireplace and all. My two cents. Good topic BTW FB.
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Post by cryptkeeper2529 on Dec 21, 2008 16:53:44 GMT -5
This is the post I made in the thread about finality between Mike & Jody:
Quote me: "When it comes to Mike and Jody I'm kinda torn, although I totally love the point made from the fortune teller intertwining with what the Tall Man has done. If this wasn't something so few fans recall or put together. Although I think it would be cool to intertwine the Fortune Teller in with The Tall Man, especially since she was apparently to Jedidiah (maybe he took her through the portal as well?).
Your definitely not the only one who desires closure, although I don't see much that can be done for Jody aside for some small explanations as to how he was manipulated and such, or if The Tall man controlled him all along but there were times when he was able to break free from his grasp (or just when he wasn't paying attention).
The other thing is that I see the original movie as kind of it's own thing and Phantasm II is kinda where things take off. Jody was dead and I think the flick did fine. I understand the whole brother/friendship bond of it all but I also loved the romantic and vigilante justice angle of Part 2. When Jody came back it just didn't really feel right. Not so much because it was a lame trade off for Liz but it just felt so out of place. I loved Jody in the first flick and I'm not saying he shouldn't have been involved in anything past the first, but him coming back just felt so awkward. Should he be in Phantasm V I feel it should be more minor. He did die twice now.
My Theory: Little can truly be explained about the first movie, but Jody I'm sue did die in a car crash. He was buried in Morningside cemetery thereby explaining how The Tall Man would be able to harvest him. Although Phantasm III brings Jody in as a good guy, I'm going to abide by Phantasm IV's random "he's evil" thing and say The Tall Man was keeping Jody as a way to lure Mike to him, manipulating Jody a lot of the time. When he dies in Oblivion he states that he did die in a car wreck, possibly meaning that Mike's Jody was from there on out, and this was simply a puppet and shell of who Mike had once been so close to."
I'm reposting the above since the more I look at my other post it seems like I have less of a point, although I apoligize if some of it may seem irrelivant. Dustin brings up some good points, although some of the stuff I think can be taken with a grain of salt. Like I said Jody did a lot that was good in [glow=red,2,300]Phantasm III[/glow] and while he did seem kinda shady, Reggie and Mike put trust into him and he delievered the best he could. In Phantasm IV, both characters were a little more irridable towards him and he was suddenly evil. There was a bridge I suppose as Jody wasn't *that* different and to a degree still aided Mike. I'm gonna go with that Jody was dead and The Tall Man was using him as a puppet at the end of the day though.
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Post by OblivionGoon on Dec 23, 2008 14:58:46 GMT -5
You must remember back to when Jody says "I was taken" we then see a clip from P1 with Jody closing a door and The Tall Man being right behind him. I think this was a shot at some closure for the viewers. We have wondered about that, and Coscarelli decided to answer something for us. But of course, it raised more questions that it answered.
In my opinion, this is just another red herring from Jody via The Tall Man. He never wants Mike to clearly know what is going on, otherwise, he just might figure out how he can finally defeat him. It's a bluff, if you will.
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