Mesila
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Post by Mesila on Sept 21, 2007 14:20:07 GMT -5
If you're into Phantasm, and have also seen The Matrix or any of its sequels, particularly the third one, Revolutions, you probably will have noticed something: both film series feature dangerous flying (and sometimes, swarming) spherical metal objects with sharp protruberances - and in both films, they're referred to as "sentinels".
I can't help but wonder if the Wachowski Brothers took a cue from Coscarelli on this one. Just so much in common here...though in the Matrix films the sentinels are more elabourately tentacled, I just watched P2 yesterday, now that I finally have a copy that's not overdubbed in Portuguese...and noticed something. At the end, just before the Tall Man dissolves screaming into a yellow goopy mass of xenodimensional yellow blood and hydrochloric acid, his forehead bursts open and a tentacle starts slithering out of it, and damnit if the end of it didn't have a triple-parted sharp form to it like the tentacles of the Matrix sentinels. (It's hard to see it, because Mike grabs onto it pretty quickly and yanks the tentacle off just as Liz is giving him the hideously corrosive IV that had been meant for her...)
I think that in Matrix: Revolutions one of the sentinels was even shown to have a drill on it, but since I've only seen that once and the things move so fast I can't be certain here.
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Post by gopher in heat on Sept 21, 2007 14:29:11 GMT -5
I hate the Matrix movies. f**k**g awful.
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Post by Mesila on Sept 21, 2007 14:54:30 GMT -5
I hate the Matrix movies. f**k**g awful. I certainly concur when it comes to Reloaded, but I liked the other two. And like them or not, I still think it's a weird coincidence about the sentinels.
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Post by gopher in heat on Sept 21, 2007 15:15:04 GMT -5
I agree, it is strange.
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Post by Natalie on Sept 21, 2007 15:38:28 GMT -5
I hate the Matrix trilogy. Although I did like the 1st one, but the rest were terrible.
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Post by 4barrelhemi on Sept 21, 2007 16:18:57 GMT -5
I didn't understand them at all.
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Post by scubasteve on Sept 21, 2007 17:29:03 GMT -5
I thought the first one was a great film and the Animatrix was some of the best animation i've seen since aeon flux (the animators of that did one of the short stories and also dark fury- the link animation for pitch black and chronicles of riddick). But reloaded was gash and everyone i've met agrees it is a bit sh!te
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Mesila
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Post by Mesila on Sept 21, 2007 21:58:05 GMT -5
I can relate to those of you who had negative comments on the Matrix films, they were sort of obtuse and I didn't care for the Judeochristian implications...but c'mon, we're Phantasm lovers, surely obtuseness can be tolerated a little? That said: I was only comparing them on the basis of the Sentinels. I liked the Matrixes, save for the second; I loved the Phantasms - there's a difference. I can't really compare Hollywood blockbusters to the sort of genius of a low-budget director like Don. It's a whole different kind of film. And I do know if there was any connection, it was the Wachowskis that ripped off Don, not the other way around. Either that or it was a REALLY weird coincidence...
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Post by Mesila on Sept 21, 2007 22:03:34 GMT -5
But reloaded was gash and everyone i've met agrees it is a bit sh!te You hit the nail on the proverbial head once again Steve. Gash. It seemed to be nothing but one big rave scene with a lot of dancing girls. I kept thinking, what the fcuk was the deal with Zion, was anyone there over the age of 25? As a...erm, "superannuated girl", it peeved me. In fact, come to think of it, perhaps one of the zillions of things about the Phantasms that I like is that the primary characters aged as the story progresses and now we have Michael about the same age as me and IIRC, Reggie'd be even older. That's damned cool and rare to find in movies...
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Post by scubasteve on Sept 24, 2007 6:45:39 GMT -5
There's also a SF film called Screamers, which has killer sentinels quite like the Phantasm spheres as well, but they burrow in the sand. Anyone else seen it at all?
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Post by MrsLeGros on Sept 24, 2007 9:16:39 GMT -5
I have heard of it...maybe worth a watch.
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Post by bcg1969 on Sept 24, 2007 13:58:51 GMT -5
There's also a SF film called Screamers, which has killer sentinels quite like the Phantasm spheres as well, but they burrow in the sand. Anyone else seen it at all? yeah i saw that once. it wasn't great but not bad either.
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Post by Mesila on Sept 24, 2007 14:17:57 GMT -5
/me puts Screamers on List of Stuff To Watch, just because it's pretty weird that not only two but three films would have spherical sentinels. But we all know which was first.
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Post by nurmweb on Oct 13, 2007 3:30:53 GMT -5
Yessss. Sentinels? I don't believe in coincidences. Certainly they're fans like us (the Wachowski Bros.).
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Post by Mesila on Oct 14, 2007 2:26:43 GMT -5
Yessss. Sentinels? I don't believe in coincidences. Certainly they're fans like us (the Wachowski Bros.). Hey, you're the dude who's doing that Phantasm game...that is going to be about a million shades of cool when that's done...hey, welcome to the community! (You ought to post a link to the preview in your signature. )
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Post by scubasteve on Oct 14, 2007 15:14:04 GMT -5
It looks similar to the Phantasm map for quake multiplayer. or was is doom? I have seen some stills on the archives or phantasm. com
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