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Post by phanboy on Sept 16, 2015 16:09:45 GMT -5
In fairness, though, Oblivion very strongly foreshadowed exactly this sort of dynamic, with Mike out of the game (more or less) and Reggie soldiering on through the spacegate, carrying on the eternal fight. So it feels like a natural continuation at least. Plus, thankfully Mike does still seem to have a somewhat important role in this one, unlike the Avery script where he gets two scenes (IIRC): a cameo and a corpse. I think that is one more scene then guy Thorpe had in Phantasm Oblivion.
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Post by DustinM on Sept 18, 2015 7:57:43 GMT -5
In fairness, though, Oblivion very strongly foreshadowed exactly this sort of dynamic, with Mike out of the game (more or less) and Reggie soldiering on through the spacegate, carrying on the eternal fight. So it feels like a natural continuation at least. Plus, thankfully Mike does still seem to have a somewhat important role in this one, unlike the Avery script where he gets two scenes (IIRC): a cameo and a corpse. Mike out of the game? I'll disagree there. We've seen that Mike was becoming a Tall Man himself, a process by which his being/spirit/consciousness gets transferred to a ball similar to Angus's Tall Man. The way I see it, Mike basically graduated at the conclusion of Oblivion and the Tall Man carted off his new form inside that ball. Yes, Mike does seem to be a strong supporting player in the new one. In all honesty, I would prefer he be the main, top-billed actor. Continuing Mike's story with all the many directions it could go in was one thing I really loved about the Phantasm 5 they did the table read for.
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Post by DT_LordofDeath on Sept 18, 2015 8:56:25 GMT -5
Although it very much appears that Reggie is going to be the front man this time around, that doesn't necessarily mean Mike's going to play any less a significant role. Given the happenings of Phantasm IV, I can see why Reggie would be the driving force in what's unfolding but my gut says Mike's the only one who really has an idea of what's going on.. or how to get Reggie where he needs to be for the Tall Man to be confronted.
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Post by bladerunner7 on Sept 19, 2015 16:48:21 GMT -5
As I said earlier in this post, Phan V will come out in 2016..folks...trust me on this...this will be the best one yet.....I know....mr bladerunner
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Post by krakenslayer on Sept 21, 2015 6:52:18 GMT -5
Mike out of the game? I'll disagree there. We've seen that Mike was becoming a Tall Man himself, a process by which his being/spirit/consciousness gets transferred to a ball similar to Angus's Tall Man. The way I see it, Mike basically graduated at the conclusion of Oblivion and the Tall Man carted off his new form inside that ball. Yes, Mike does seem to be a strong supporting player in the new one. In all honesty, I would prefer he be the main, top-billed actor. Continuing Mike's story with all the many directions it could go in was one thing I really loved about the Phantasm 5 they did the table read for. Well, I haven't read the Romano script, but what I'm getting at is the same thing you allude to: Mike's consciousness being taken away and entering a new and stranger phase in his "apprenticeship" to the Tall Man, while Reggie carries on the physical conflict against the minions of the Red Planet. I appreciate where you're coming from with regards to Phantasm being Mike's story. I would probably prefer it followed Mike as the central character too, but it's easy to view Phantasm Oblivion and its ending as a big evolution in the dynamic of the series. Viewed in that light, the change in focus doesn't seem like something arbitrarily imposed in P5. From the little I've seen, anyway. Certainly they had other possible avenues, but I can at least see the logic in deciding to treat the road Mike is now on as simply too abstract and metaphysical to deal with in a literal way as the central focus of the story. Putting Reggie at the center, with occasional contact from Mike (different Mikes and different worlds?), might be a good device for letting us piece together the "truth" about Mike and Jody in fragments, in a way that retains some mystery, and ambiguity/suspense as to where his loyalties now lie, Earth or the Red Planet. I dunno. If done well, I think it could work.
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Post by DustinM on Sept 21, 2015 9:16:41 GMT -5
I dunno. If done well, I think it could work. You make good points and I agree with your last one especially. It could work, definitely. Phantasm is a lot of different things to a lot of different people. I think David Hartman's appreciation for the series is much more in line with my own than say... Roger Avary's. I have no idea what that guy liked about the original film. The spheres, maybe? I need to keep my expectations in check, though. Phantasm's tend to be wildly different, each their own flavor, and when we put too many expectations on them we're bound to be disappointed. I need to let the film take me where it's going to take me - then judge it based on that.
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Post by phanboy on Sept 21, 2015 9:25:23 GMT -5
I dunno. If done well, I think it could work. You make good points and I agree with your last one especially. It could work, definitely. Phantasm is a lot of different things to a lot of different people. I think David Hartman's appreciation for the series is much more in line with my own than say... Roger Avary's. I have no idea what that guy liked about the original film. The spheres, maybe? I need to keep my expectations in check, though. Phantasm's tend to be wildly different, each their own flavor, and when we put too many expectations on them we're bound to be disappointed. I need to let the film take me where it's going to take me - then judge it based on that. I think some fanboys care more about what looks cool,then what is Phantasm.
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Post by krakenslayer on Sept 21, 2015 14:46:51 GMT -5
I need to keep my expectations in check, though. Phantasm's tend to be wildly different, each their own flavor, and when we put too many expectations on them we're bound to be disappointed. I need to let the film take me where it's going to take me - then judge it based on that. Totally agree. Keeping your expectations low and broad is key to being able to enjoy these kinds of long-awaited films, I think.
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